Deere AWS comes to the rescue

[leolav1972]

Well, that's EXACTLY what Jammer did in his post. He provided an objective and factual representation. He used the equipment and this is what he found. Are you questioning his humble opinion? I see no evidence of bashing.

YES I AM. As an owner of a 1500 and knowing 3 other 1500 owners in my area, I know it will do the things that he is claiming it will not do. I think if he is using the 1500, he might have gotten a bum machine or it isn't running correctly. Mine has be great as has everyone else I know on here, except Jammer.

I have no reason to bash or bash back. I am simply stating that what he has seen IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to what I or other BX owners have seen from their machines.

 

[kude]

If you take color out of it, Jammer, in his enthusiasm, is comparing a 15hp lawn tractor to a 24hp lawn tractor. He was impressed by the extra power, and maybe a few other features of the 24hp machine.

Maybe he should have rented a higher hp machine to get the tasks done in short order, lesson learned, move on.

 

[LBrown59]

1*Jammer is comparing a 15hp lawn tractor to a 24hp lawn tractor.
He was impressed by the extra power, and maybe a few other features of the 24hp machine.
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1*These weren't 2 lawn tractors<>1 was a green garden tractor and the other an orange S-Cut.
He didn't compare anything with hands on experience on both machines.
He went to a rental yard and rented a used hard used hard to tell how much abused by multiple users non current model BX1500.
This is the only tractor he actually operated.
He never operated the other green machine, just stated the other operator was able to do what he himself failed at.
Makes me wonder if that operator would also been successful with the orange tractor also.
There is no way I could put my trust in the results [good or bad] of such a haphazard incorrect incomplete comparison.
I'd sure hate to make my buying decision based on such a skewered observation.
What he should have done is gone to a Kubota dealer and tried out a new BX1850
Then To a JD dealer and tried a new JD X744 or what ever he thinks his neighbors is.
Had he done this and actually spent seat time on both tractors put them both through the exact same task I have a funny feeling his conclusion would have been much different.
Here we have a guy making claimes/statements about green and orange and he don't even know for sure what green machine it was/is.
Seems to me if a test had any hint of accuracy it at all it ought to at least revel the model of the tractor in question.

 

[LBrown59]

YES I AM. As an owner of a 1500 and knowing 3 other 1500 owners in my area, I know it will do the things that he is claiming it will not do. I think if he is using the 1500, he might have gotten a bum machine or it isn't running correctly. Mine has be great as has everyone else I know on here, except Jammer.

I have no reason to bash or bash back. I am simply stating that what he has seen IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to what I or other BX owners have seen from their machines.

There is something wrong with his results the question is what ?

 

[bjcsc]

While I am not as hardcore as some of you color guys (I buy what best fits my needs, last time it was a Deere, time before that a Massey), I think this entire topic, in fact both of them (one of which has been closed and this one is soon to follow) were started simply to bash Kubota. Read "Jammer"'s posts. If this were, in fact, a genuine post, it would not be worded the way it is - think about it. "Little Kubota", "poor little machine", etc.. It's my opinion that both of these threads were started to get the responses they have.

Just because there's bait doesn't mean you have to bite...

Hi guys,
Was 'demo-ing" a little Kubota BX- SORRY- on the lawn yesterday. The poor little machine was failing me miserably when my neighbor came over with his big AWS Deere tractor. What an unbelievable sight to behold, watching that thing in action. Especially when it is your own yard and someone else is mowing it. But I can't believe how smooth that thing handles and how much power it has. I mean my lawn had to be 6 inches high or more and the tractor just gobbled it up as if it was nothing. Left it looking like a golf course. You Deere guys sure know a good machine when it comes to mowing grass. That thing sure turns around things, I would describe as 'fluid'. Maybe there was something wrong with the BX, maybe just underpowered or something. Also noticed that the Deere looked real comfy to ride. It also has me thinking Green, but for now I have my sights on Orange. We'll see.

And the post from the other thread:

I thought it appropriate to let you all know what a fine machine Deere makes. Pride swallowed here, my neighbor just hooked up my rental tiller to his AWS Deere, and tilled my garden up as if it was grrraaaavy. The little Kubota BX1500 was sad because it got fired after not being able to do the job. I mean the orange tractor just crept along trying desperately to loosen things up, I mean what the heck can 10 pto Hp compare to this monster of a garden tractor. It was fun to watch. I would till the garden for HOURS with a troy built, and this Deere did the whole thing, deep, and without a hitch. It is making me want one bad but I am afraid of the price tag. Well sorry to say, I have an Orange machine delivered for a demo tomorrow which hopefully should have real-world, big-boy power. But that Deere sure looked comfy, and had no problem with traction or anything. The tilt wheel is cool too. I should have looked at the model number but I didn't.

 

[LBrown59]

YES I AM. As an owner of a 1500 and knowing 3 other 1500 owners in my area, I know it will do the things that he is claiming it will not do. I think if he is using the 1500, he might have gotten a bum machine or it isn't running correctly. Mine has be great as has everyone else I know on here, except Jammer.

I have no reason to bash or bash back. I am simply stating that what he has seen IS NOT EVEN CLOSE to what I or other BX owners have seen from their machines.

Iv'e been working on this deal to buy 2 BX 1500 tractors.
$6200 New BX 1500 with less than 5 hours
$1900 New Hydraulic lift and angle front blade
$1100 New Rear Tiller
$1450 New 48''MMM
$4425 Used BX 1500 with only 350 hours.
$ 725 Used 48'' MMM
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Total for all 6 items $15800 picked up or $16000 delivered.
I was just about to pull the trigger on this deal until I read jammers opinion of the BX1500.
What to do now:
Should I call the Dealer and back out of the deal due to jammers report or should I go ahead and buy these two tractors?

 

[jdbower]

How about if we stop trying to figure out who's bashing what and try to help the poster? We're comparing a lawn tractor with 24Hp to a SCUT with 15HP. The "little" Kubota is little compared to a 744, both in HP ratings and physical size (but not weight, it is a lawn mower where weight is a liability and not a bonus). I'm not sure why people are surprised that the 744 may be better at mowing than a small general-use tractor.

The only useful information we've got from team 'Bota is not to rent one but to get the dealer to loan you one to mow your yard. But there was no indication as to why this could be an issue and what to check. If you'd like you can repeat the test with another 1500 from a different rental company (or even the same company). That should rule out a dud machine. I'd also check the blades on the mower; the rental yard may not have sharpened them in a while and the previous renter may have used them as a brush cutter for all we know. About the only other thing I can think of is to make sure the PTO position is in mid-only, I can certainly envision designs that severly limit the PTO HP in Mid+Rear setup even with nothing in the rear - but I've never driven a Kubota so you'll have to ask someone who has if there are any other pilot errors to look for.

But if you were comparing the 744 to the Deere 2305 I also wouldn't be surprised if the 744 was a better mower - that's its job. However, if you need a tiller or a plow or a general use tractor then a SCUT like the 2305 or 1500 are much better choices.

Bota boys are welcome here when they add meaning to the discussion, but simply saying the poster is bashng Kubota because a model of another color performed better for his application or spouting off how much cheaper the tractors are doesn't help anything. You give the impression of a Ford salesman walking into a Chevy dealership and handing out cards, you're welcome to do it but don't be surprised if it turns more people off than on.

So, to the OP if you've got any further questions I'd recommend posting in another thread and feel free to ask in the Kubota forum what can be done to improve the 1500's performance - it may be something simple. My final advice is to talk with each of the dealers in your area, if you ever need service these are the guys you'll need to work with - that relationship is part of the cost/performance equation as well. Two passes while mowing with a cheaper 1500 and a nice Kubota dealer would certainly beat a new 2520 from a mean Deere dealer even if it's a better (and more expensive) tractor. Why did I choose Deere? It wasn't on price, it was because the dealership's close to my house, because the dealer is a friendly guy, because the tractor fit my needs, and, most importantly, I could pick up a John Deere light switch cover from the Cracker Barrel.

 

[Skipholiday]

How about if we stop trying to figure out who's bashing what and try to help the poster?
It wasn't on price, it was because the dealership's close to my house, because the dealer is a friendly guy, because the tractor fit my needs, and, most importantly, I could pick up a John Deere light switch cover from the Cracker Barrel.

I couldn't agree more. Kubota is an excellent machine.
To be honest I liked the orange color better than green.
I chose green because of my dealer.
If a bota dealer was close and as customer oriented as my dealer I would as soon operate an orange tractor..

I lovem all.
Only bad tractor, is one that don't work~!

 

[bjcsc]

Only bad tractor, is one that don't work~!

Roger that!

 

[LBrown59]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skipholiday
*Only bad tractor, is one that don't work~!


Roger that!
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according to jammer that's the BX1500.
I was going to buy 2 BX1500s but after reading his reports should I call the dealer up and cancel the order?