Cub Cadet or Toro

/ Cub Cadet or Toro #1  

brbry

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I'm looking at zero turn mowers under $3,000 so that eliminates all the better commercial mowers. I'm trying to decide between the Cub Cadet RZT50or the Toro Timecutter SS5000. I'd appreciate any input you may have. I can get either one for $2700. I've been reading about transmission problems on the Cub Cadet but haven't found anything on the Toro. They may have the same transmission, I don't know.
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #2  
I have a older Toro Z turn, not sure the model but will check later today, I wanted to get a new one, the motor a B&S is getting a bit long in the tooth,so i decided to buy a new one looked at Toro,and one like i now have appeared not to have the quality as the older one does. I than looked at the Ariens,Zoom 42, it seems to be better constructed,ie deck is attached at 6 points not 3 like the Toro. The price I paid was appox 2700, about the same as toro.
May be worth a look ....just my 2 cents.
 
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/ Cub Cadet or Toro #3  
I used to have a Toro 38" ZTR and really liked it, but sold it and went back to a walk behind because I needed to get through some 36" gates. Last year, Toro came out with the SS3200 that fits through those gates, so that's what I have now.:D

I'd go with the Toro over the Cub Cadet because I have a good Toro dealer nearby, but of course I don't know or can't say that one is a better machine than the other.
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #4  
I'll say Toro will support their equipment far longer. overall Toro puts a lot of thought into their designs. They do require regular maintenance, as some parts are meant to wear out so the more expensive parts will not. I'd highly recommend either a Toro or, if you can find a used one, a z-master. I'm certified in almost all of the brands and have worked on and overhauled well over a thousand of them, so I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about in this subject.

With all of the ztr models, upkeep is very important as things spin much faster and bearings wear out more often. If you are the DIY type I'd implore you to bring it in for service for the first couple of years and keep track of what is replaced. Those parts over a two year span are the same parts you will be replacing every two years.. Forever. Ztr mowers aren't like simple mowers, so let the service place dig in at first. The money spent on service will be much lower than the repair cost of just one spindle or impeller.

Enjoy your ztr
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #5  
Domush, I intend to do just as you said.:laughing: Of course, the Toro has a 3 year warranty, also. So when Lowe's had a sale on trailers, I prepared for the future.;) Incidentally, that bagging kit is expensive, but it really works great.
 

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/ Cub Cadet or Toro #6  
For the last 5 yrs, the low end comsumer products carrying the Toro brand have been built by MTD, same Co as owns/builds Cub Cadet. As such, I'd not expect to find and differences other than cosmetics between the brands from similar priced models.

The commercial grade Toro's are still built by Toro.
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro
  • Thread Starter
#7  
According to the websites I've visited MTD does not make any Toros. I got a good deal on a Cub Cadet RZT50 with 69 hours on it. It made the zero turns to the right but went wide on turns to the left. I found out the previous owner only had the mower about 3 weeks. 69 hours in 3 weeks? It will take me a long time to put 69 hours on a mower, especially a faster zero turn and I live in Texas where we even mow a little in the winter. I really liked the way it handled but considering all I've read about the transmission problems and no warrenty, I returned it. I ended up buying a Husqvarna. It's the one my wife wanted in the first place. If the wife is happy, everybody's happy.
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #8  
According to the websites I've visited MTD does not make any Toros.

Yeah, I knew that Cub Cadet has been owned/built by MTD for many years, but I never heard of MTD having anything to do with Toro.
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #9  
I just bought a new Toro 4235 or something like that. I had been checking for the last few years on the Toro's. Toro builds Toro, and Exmark there is very little difference in the two except price. The Local Toro dealer told me the only difference is price. I doubt that but the difference is small. I don't pickup my Toro until this Saturday.

Bird I like the look of your little Toro sounds like a perfect size for getting it through gates. But with the rear bagger on it will it fit? That rear bagger sure is big and wide will it go through the gates?

I got the mulch kit and did not order the rear bagger even though I have one for my old deere lawn tractor. It was used about 4 or 5 times in the last 3 years. I don't know if I will need one or not but they are expensive.
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #10  
Toro has a plant in Windom, MN. They have an open lot where they store trailers loaded with mowers. If you're ever bobtailing through town... ;-)
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #11  
I don't know if I will need one or not but they are expensive.

The mulch kit is best for warm climates, as the mulch adds to the shade, keeping the ground moist and preventing scorched grass. If you keep your lawn 3-4" tall (which you absolutely should, no matter the climate), you'll never even notice the mulch on the ground. The Exmarks and Toro commercial ZTRs will chop the mulch up so fine you'll have a hard time finding it on the ground anyhow. They spin the blades much faster than your average home mower (hence the regular bearing replacements).

Exmark and Toro may be the same nowadays, but they had definite differences when they came out. Exmark was much more popular with the commercial guys, but the Toro's seemed to come back for repair less often. Not sure if that pointed to DIY people liking Toro's or simply more reliable operation. Neither of the two mowers (out of the roughly 60-70 commercial units I did regular maint on) ever came back for a major item because of shoddy design, so either is a great purchase.

It should be noted, the reason Toro is such a great line is because of two reasons:

- They change very little over the years, so parts remain available for decades (a new part for a 40y/o mower is generally easy to obtain)
- They bought nearly all of the best patents, which means other brand have to work around the good designs, where Toro can make the stuff correctly.

I don't know anything about Husky mowers, but I can nearly guaranty Husky just relabels someone else's stuff. If they didn't, I would worry even more, as they would be first generation models. Parts availability down the road will also be iffy. Stock up once the warranty is up.

MTD is a buyer beware, but better than any other B-list mowers. They are well designed for the price you are paying, but they can only make them so reliable with those cheap parts and thin sheet metal. The non-wheel horse line of toro home mowers are basically in the same boat, but Toro will make parts for them for decades, unlike MTD.

Whites is just MTD relabeled.

I would really avoid any other so-called A-list makes. Honda is a money pit. John Deere mowers are overpriced, poorly designed garbage (we made plenty of money from Deere loving fanboys, namely selling them a quality mower when theirs broke down in some spectacular way).

As for 2-cycle stuff:

Echo makes fabulous engines, but are big fans of plastic where it shouldn't be.

Husky is okay for chain saws, but their trimmers have cheap components until the $400 price point, more durable plastic than echo, but more likely to have broken shafts whose price rivals a whole new unit.

Stihl is top of the line for chain saws (pretty sure most already know that).

Poulan makes great engines, but everything else about them is crap. Nearly all other chain saw brands are relabeled poulans.

As for engines:

- Briggs by far wins in the low HP level (20HP and under) .. They own all of the best patents for those designs
- Kohler is far and away the one to buy for 14HP and up (even over Briggs if you can afford it) .. They have it down to a science, and I've never, ever come across a shoddy Kohler.
- Tecumsuh (sp?) is junk throughout the entire range .. They obviously came too late to the patent rush, so everything is a workaround for a proper design.
- Honda also came late to the patent office .. They have reliable engines, but parts are scarce and they change designs way too often, so nothing ever gets perfected. Chinese engines are mostly copies of Honda engines, which makes it easy to swap out when (not if) some NLA (no longer available) part dies on you Honda in 4-5 years. Honda gets special recognition for making high RPM engines, which means they make for great go-cart engines.

Overall, if I were to buy all of my stuff over again, I would buy:
- Exmark ZTR
- Echo trimmer w/attachments
- Stihl chainsaw.

Having that set, I wouldn't even have to think about buying a replacement for a couple of decades, easy, with minimal maint costs, especially if I did the work myself.

As for what I do own:

1990 Toro Wheel Horse Classic (the all metal, cast iron line) - will last forever
60's model Troybilt (cast iron and metal) Horse tiller - will outlive me
Stihl trimmer - will last a decade
Poulan chainsaw (I knew better, but needed one for cheap) - should already be in the trash after two years

One last note: Anything you buy nowadays, bring it home, adjust the fuel mixture to be more rich at the high and low end (especially the high end). Your engine will live longer and run way, way better. EPA rules force makers to lean them out an absurd amount in order to pass regulations. Nearly all makes tell people to rich them out a little during the certification classes.. just don't tell the EPA that.

Hope that helps someone.
 
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/ Cub Cadet or Toro
  • Thread Starter
#12  
In my earlier post I said I had no warranty with the Cub Cadet. I checked my warranty of the Husqvarna I just bought and it said they didn't make the engine so they don't warranty it. They didn't make the transmission so they don't warranty it. What's left the frame and mower deck? Ya, I really need a warranty for that.:confused2:
 
/ Cub Cadet or Toro #13  
Bird I like the look of your little Toro sounds like a perfect size for getting it through gates. But with the rear bagger on it will it fit? That rear bagger sure is big and wide will it go through the gates?

Nope, without the bagger, it goes throught 3' gates easily, but with the bagger, it won't even go through 4' gates or the 4' door to my garden tool storage shed. Fortunately, it's pretty quick and easy to remove the bagger and/or put it back on. And for my own yard, I have a 4' gate on one side of the house and an 8' gate on the other side.
 

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