cub (2135) doesn't move forward or reverse

rfelker · May 8, 2005

cub (2135) doesn\'t move forward or reverse

Just had my cub serviced by a shop and they replaced the trans filter and the engine filter and oil. When running the cub I hear a grinding and kick when going forward and reverse then after 5-10 minutes doesn't move at all. Whats going on? Couldn't call the shop because there closed on weekends.

cwarrix · May 8, 2005

Re: cub (2135) doesn\'t move forward or reverse

I wouldn't run it any more until they have a chance to check it out. I'm not familiar with the 2135, but on my 3240 I had two people tell me to use the wrong fluid for the tranny. Both were dealers. Hopefully they didn't put the wrong fluid in yours! Just a thought. Seems kind of strange that they just serviced it and now you have this problem. Assuming you had no problem like this before, in my mind it has to be related to the recent service.

I'd be on their doorstep when they open Monday morning! I'm sure they will make it right. Keep us posted, good luck!

rfelker · May 8, 2005

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Yeah I never had a problem at all until now. Also I noticed this morning that the trans filter said fram. Do they make filters for cubs. Looks like to me that shop put on a car filter.

DmansPadge · May 8, 2005

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A lot of filters interchange. I would be more concerned that it has a Fram filter... that is one of the last brands I would use - just my opinion. I seems that the dealer would use a CC filter? (Or whoever makes them for CC)

gamble77 · May 8, 2005

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Was it serviced by a Cub dealer or just some lawn mower shop?

JTKub · May 8, 2005

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Was your 2135 having any problems prior to having it serviced? I would first verify proper oil level in the transaxle, if that's okay, find out what your shop put in it. Unless they put corn syrup in there, It's unlikely even the 'wrong' oil would cause issues so soon. Also run that fram p/n on the fram filter wesite to make sure it's a hydraulic filter (HF) & not an lube oil filter (LF). Again, even using an engine oil filter shouldn't cause problems right away, but you should only use a hydraulic spin on filter in this application. Hopefully you get this worked out ASAP!
G/luck
JOel

Bob_Bainbridge · May 8, 2005

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Yeah I never had a problem at all until now. Also I noticed this morning that the trans filter said fram. Do they make filters for cubs. Looks like to me that shop put on a car filter. )</font>

I ran my 1450 1100 hours using Fram car filters on the hydo with no problems. I would be more suspicious of the fluid used.

Bob B.

JTKub · May 9, 2005

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Another really simple thing to check is make sure the transaxle bypass lever is not engaged, or even partially engaged, allowing the trans to freewheel.
G/luck
Joel

rfelker · May 9, 2005

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I checked the bypass lever. I tested it yesterday and whats happening is the cub will be ok for 5-10 minutes then it turning left it starts to loose speed. Thats when I hear the grinding. Also noticed that at full revs it worse if I slow it down its not as bad. Or if I go up a small hill it does it. This never happened before it was serviced. Right after the shop dropped it off it started happening. I already stopped payment on the bill. **** it was 217.00 dollars. Another thing I did was remove the belt that runs the blades it still does it. It does sound like the bypass lever is out of wack but Ive tried every position on the lever. What really gets me is this thing never did this before. I already used the mower 3 times before it was serviced. I'll find out today what the shops going to do about it.

cwarrix · May 9, 2005

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I wouldn't think the filter brand is a problem. I'm not an expert here, but I would think if the filter was a problem, it would act the same way all the time. The fact that it runs for a while then starts acting strange leads me to think it is the fluid... And, the fact that this dealer went to the trouble of finding a non-oem brand filter says to me that they could be trying to cut corners. I wonder if they also tried to find a non-oem replacement for the tranny oil? Did you check you manual to see what kind of oil it is supposed to use? Some use regular 20W50 or 15W50 motor oil (so I have heard), but some, like mine, use special tranny fluid from Cub Cadet. I'm not sure you can get it anywhere else.

Like I said before, I'd be standing at the front door when they open up this morining. Everyone makes mistakes. Hopefully they didn't make a big mistake here, and if they did, I sure hope they make it right with you! Good Luck!

Bob_Bainbridge · May 9, 2005

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I don't want to ask a dumb question but have you checked the hydro oil level? perhaps they changed the filter and forgot to add the oil. I once drained the engine oil from my daughter's Fiero, got sidetracked by something else, and never put the new oil in. She made it up the streeet and a block down the road before the engine froze. Luckily I was able to free it up and it ran fine for 2 years before a bearing or something went requiring an engine replacement. I never knew for sure why it failed but I strongly suspect the oil fiasco had something to do with it.

Bob B.

rfelker · May 9, 2005

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Talked to shop and they said its not the filter. Well I had them come to the house and showed them that the fram filter said oil filter. Had them replace it with a Cub and guess what MOWER NOW WORKS FINE. I ran the mower for 2 hours no problems at all. Also come to find out they never replaced the trans fluid. So their coming back to house to replace fluid and another new filter. Thanks for the help.

cwarrix · May 10, 2005

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Glad you got it going, and it's good to hear the dealer is making it right. I'm a little confused as to how the filter would cause such a problem, but I guess it doesn't really matter right now. At least you are back up and running /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CubTech · May 10, 2005

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If you use a different type filter you will change the fluid flow. Most likely it probably stopped the fluid which in turn shutdown the transmission.

This is why Cub recommends our filters. We know they work!

But you also get what you pay for.

Glad you got the beast running again!

Bob_Bainbridge · May 10, 2005

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I would still suspect that it was caused by the drained fluid not being replaced rather than the filter. Most filters are basically the same except for a small variation in bypass pressure which shouldn't really come into play unless the filter was clogged.

Bob B.

JTKub · May 10, 2005

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I would also suspect a low oil condition as the cause. From what I've found, hydraulic rated filters are different from oil only filters. Hydraulic filters typically dont have a bypass valve. It's built into the hydraulic pump itself. Reason being is to not push junk from the dirty side of the filter element into the system (if a filter bypass was to open). The can/outer shell on a hyd filter is thicker and the gaskets are usually larger/thicker to accommodate for pressure spikes, and the media is usually a micro-glass. The only filters i've seen that are rated for both hyd and lube (pretty much across the board) are donaldson filters. I highly doubt running an engine oil filter on our cubs would make any difference at all, in fact we have Bob B. to thank for a real world test! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
G/luck
Joel

rfelker · May 11, 2005

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mech that came up to replace filter did say that they have never seen this before. Says that filter could of been faulty. But it did say oil filter and the lawn mower did not move. Replacing the filter fixed the problem. Also cub is running smooth now. Nothing like before. Ive had the mower since 1996 and never nothing wrong. Im glad it was the filter. Now if I could find another deck. Mines getting old and beat. Anyone know how much they run new or does anyone have a used one. Thanks again for the help.

Bob_Bainbridge · May 11, 2005

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I would look for a good used one. I paid over $400 for just the new shell for a 44A deck back in 1995. Mine was badly rusted. If yours isn't rusted through you could get it sand blasted and painted which would be much cheaper.

Bob B.