Comparison CTV TO HST COMPARISON

[farmall40]

There is no arguement from me that the hrdro is a great setup, I had a tc35d and then two tc40d units. All three where EXCELLENT tractors with no repairs. If I could have gotten a hydro with a cab I would have. BUT, now that I have a CVT it is IMHO a better trans. It puts way more power to the ground than my hydro would even think of. Ya just have to learn how to use the CVT to make it opperate like it's designed to.

 

[Grandad4]

All kidding aside, farmall40, I hope the CVT technology does well and your new tractor works great for you. It's good to see companies trying to bring out significant innovations that improve the overall quality and performance of their products. Too much stuff these days is made cheaply and meant to be used and thrown out. But, don't get me started... Please keep us posted occasionally on how the CVT is performing.

 

[crazyal]

Time will tell. I don't think I would be against owning one, I'm sure they are reliable but I would like to see other brands start putting them in CUTs. I would like to know if the oil gets hotter than HST during use.

 

[srs]

I would like to know if the oil gets hotter than HST during use.

Or if the CVT is quieter/louder then the HST?

 

[Rockgod]

My dealer told me today that a hydro trans is old technology and will eventually be phased out. That's why you can't get a hydro with a cab in the 40-50 hp Case/New Holland line.

If that's the case all the other manufactures are lagging well behind Case/New Holland

First thing to compare would be the brakes. As many here already know, on a HST tractor the brakes seldom get used. This is not the case with the CTV.

The way the tranny itself worked was very odd too. It's a little hard to explain, but while pushing on the gas the engine would rev but it would act as if the tranny wasn't in tune. Kind if reminded me of cruise control where there is a flat spot until it hits the "set speed" And no it was not set to cruise! No matter what gear or what speed you chose the tractor would do this. Very difficult to drive.

To make sure it wasn't the one tractor (Farmall 50). I went to another dealership 40 miles away and drove a slightly used Bommer 3045, guess what? Same exact thing. I realize there are many configurations that these can be set up at but I was under the impression that this was as good as it got.

Only advice is to drive one yourself. Some on here seem to be happy with theirs and that's great. I think I'll stay with the HST thank you very much.

 

[bigbull338]

if you think the HSTs wont stop fast you better think again.my brother was standing on the steps riding with my nephew.an they had 2 5 by 6 bales on the tractor.brother told nephew to stop an the tractor was in cruise.so nephew pulled the cruse lever to stop.an my bother fell off the tractor legs under the tractor.so yes they can stop super fast.

 

[Rockgod]

if you think the HSTs wont stop fast you better think again.my brother was standing on the steps riding with my nephew.an they had 2 5 by 6 bales on the tractor.brother told nephew to stop an the tractor was in cruise.so nephew pulled the cruse lever to stop.an my bother fell off the tractor legs under the tractor.so yes they can stop super fast.

I wasn't saying HST's won't stop quickly. I'm saying you hardly need brakes with an HST machine. Depending on the way the pedals are setup simply letting off the throttle can stop you in your tracks. You hardly need them. On the CTV you will need them quite often. It's like driving a truck/car.

 

[PHILIP8N]

if you think the HSTs wont stop fast you better think again.my brother was standing on the steps riding with my nephew.an they had 2 5 by 6 bales on the tractor.brother told nephew to stop an the tractor was in cruise.so nephew pulled the cruse lever to stop.an my bother fell off the tractor legs under the tractor.so yes they can stop super fast.

Unfortunate, but coming from you, that does not suprise me. The Kubota Grand L series HST+ tractors has an 'HST Response' dial that lets you adjust how sensitive the HST pedal response is in forward and reverse. You can make it stop quickly, slowly, or anywhere inbetween, depending upon what you prefer or the type of work you are doing. My dial is usually set to the slowest response setting. Philip.

 

[bigbull338]

i wasnt saying that to you.i was saying for others that didnt know.i never use the brakes to stop.an most times i run the rpms at 1500 to 2000 in med or high range.

 

[bigbull338]

Unfortunate, but coming from you, that does not suprise me. The Kubota Grand L series HST+ tractors has an 'HST Response' dial that lets you adjust how sensitive the HST pedal response is in forward and reverse. You can make it stop quickly, slowly, or anywhere inbetween, depending upon what you prefer or the type of work you are doing. My dial is usually set to the slowest response setting. Philip.

well everything is set the same as the dealer had it set.an you learn real quick not to panic when something happens.i grew up driving a 6000 commander ford selecto speed.an that thing would eat your lunch if you wasnt careful.

 

[farmall40]

If that's the case all the other manufactures are lagging well behind Case/New Holland

First thing to compare would be the brakes. As many here already know, on a HST tractor the brakes seldom get used. This is not the case with the CTV.

The way the tranny itself worked was very odd too. It's a little hard to explain, but while pushing on the gas the engine would rev but it would act as if the tranny wasn't in tune. Kind if reminded me of cruise control where there is a flat spot until it hits the "set speed" And no it was not set to cruise! No matter what gear or what speed you chose the tractor would do this. Very difficult to drive.

To make sure it wasn't the one tractor (Farmall 50). I went to another dealership 40 miles away and drove a slightly used Bommer 3045, guess what? Same exact thing. I realize there are many configurations that these can be set up at but I was under the impression that this was as good as it got.

Only advice is to drive one yourself. Some on here seem to be happy with theirs and that's great. I think I'll stay with the HST thank you very much.

The brakes on the CVT don't get used at all in my application, because is stops within a few feet of letting of the pedal. I have 105 hours on my CVT and have probably only used the brakes 5 times. And that was when I was learning how to use it. Some of the members on this forum seem to be against the CVT unit, that's fine because most people don't like change. Everybody that coments on the new technology does't have seat time on both units. Since 2003 I have had 3 new hydro units and now this CVT unit, all I can say is give it some time cus it will grow on ya.

 

[TripleR]

The brakes on the CVT don't get used at all in my application, because is stops within a few feet of letting of the pedal. I have 105 hours on my CVT and have probably only used the brakes 5 times. And that was when I was learning how to use it. Some of the members on this forum seem to be against the CVT unit, that's fine because most people don't like change. Everybody that comments on the new technology does't have seat time on both units. Since 2003 I have had 3 new hydro units and now this CVT unit, all I can say is give it some time cus it will grow on ya.

For me it isn't about the "new technology", it is about ease of use which for me is of paramount importance. I would probably be all over the CVT if it was not for the forward/reverse lever.

 

[Ford tractor]

My dealer told me today that a hydro trans is old technology and will eventually be phased out. That's why you can't get a hydro with a cab in the 40-50 hp Case/New Holland line.

Yeah, HST is nearly 50 years old now, for sure time to dump it! I guess that C/NH must have phased out gear transmissions decades ago as it's over 100 years old.

 

[Rockgod]

The brakes on the CVT don't get used at all in my application, because is stops within a few feet of letting of the pedal. I have 105 hours on my CVT and have probably only used the brakes 5 times.

Only 5 times? Going about 2 mph I almost crashed into a parked tractor (at dealership) after letting off the foot throttle. I was so use to driving my HST I forgot about the brakes thinking I would stop. Very scary!

When you say, "a few feet" what does that mean? What you are describing was not my experience at all. Are you saying that with practice it can be driven like a hydro? :confused2:

 

[bigbull338]

you know the sad thing is NH only makes what i call toy tractors.i dont care if they areCTV or HST.an they sure wont lift the big round bales on front an rear.i was a FORD/NH man till i started looking for a tractor a year ago.

 

[farmall40]

Only 5 times? Going about 2 mph I almost crashed into a parked tractor (at dealership) after letting off the foot throttle. I was so use to driving my HST I forgot about the brakes thinking I would stop. Very scary!

When you say, "a few feet" what does that mean? What you are describing was not my experience at all. Are you saying that with practice it can be driven like a hydro? :confused2:

The units at the dealership have a "generic" setup programmed in them. It took me 2or3 weeks to get the thing programmed the way I wanted it. With the way mine is right now, the rear wheels will skid if I let off the pedal all at once. It's almost to agressive with snow on the ground.

 

[TripleR]

you know the sad thing is NH only makes what i call toy tractors.i dont care if they areCTV or HST.an they sure wont lift the big round bales on front an rear.i was a FORD/NH man till i started looking for a tractor a year ago.

Our Kubota dealer also handles New Holland and when we bought our M8540, they were prepping a BIG New Holland of about 250+ HP, they make some really big tractors.

 

[farmall40]

For me it isn't about the "new technology", it is about ease of use which for me is of paramount importance. I would probably be all over the CVT if it was not for the forward/reverse lever.

I see your point, the hydro is a no brainer to drive. It took a couple weeks to get used the the lever. Every once in a while I still try to reverse with my foot.

 

[jagyzf]

We have had this discussion here before. Someone with better searching luck than me can probably find it. There was a link to a manufacturer (Fendt?) that showed how it works. It is mechanically absolutely nothing like a snowmobile or car CVT. They are supposed to be much more efficient at putting power to the ground than HST. I'm sure there is a learning curve to the operation. I lurk over at AGTALK and once operators catch on to it, they usually love it.

Kim

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this. I thought this also, but from what I have now been told and seen the campacts do use a similar style to a car CVT and is nothing like the ag tractors.

Here is link to a New Holland Video that shows it.
YouTube - New Holland T7000 Easy Drive CVT Transmission

 

[KWentling]

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this. I thought this also, but from what I have now been told and seen the campacts do use a similar style to a car CVT and is nothing like the ag tractors.

Here is link to a New Holland Video that shows it.
YouTube - New Holland T7000 Easy Drive CVT Transmission

Yea, that is way different than the Vario. About the same as a snowmobile. Thanks for the video.

Kim