Corona Virus #8

[rswyan]

I posted this on another forum, never got a satisfactory answer. This makes no sense to me. Wuhan is where it started and 11,000,000+ people are living there closer proximity than in NYC.

Curious why the death rates are so high in Italy and Spain?!?

After all, the virus STARTED in Wuhan, China. Wuhan's population is 11 million alone! China's population is 1.4 billion!!!

Spain's population is 46.7 million and yet the death rate (so far!) in Spain is three times that of China!

The virus has had more time to spread at the source (China) before migrating to Europe. Any ideas why this is?

Yes.

Do you ever wonder why people in various Asian countries seem more inclined to be wearing masks ?

Arguably to be sure, they simply have more (recent) experience in dealing with epidemics ... particularly in densely packed population centers.

China's recent history of deadly epidemics

 

[k0ua]

Another reason they wear masks is the air pollution is much higher in China than here.

 

[rswyan]

Another reason they wear masks is the air pollution is much higher in China than here.

All the more the reason to do away with those meddlesome “clean air” regulations ... right ?

We can just all wear masks !

 

[k0ua]

All the more the reason to do away with those meddlesome “clean air” regulations ... right ?

We can just all wear masks !

Yes! and as a bonus, the mask's keep us from spitting on people...

 

[rswyan]

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Ask the person that originally posted it.

 

[rswyan]

Yes! and as a bonus, the mask's keep us from spitting on people...

It’s a two-fer then ...

 

[txdon]

Ask the person that originally posted it.

Ok just checking - so no one read the story just the headlines.

 

[rswyan]

Ok just checking - so no one read the story just the headlines.

Is that what you infer ?

Because it wasn’t what I implied ...

 

[Wagtail]

Quick report from FORTRESS TASMANIA (Sunday, 5 Apr @ 1045). No change from yesterday re: cases or deaths... still 30 reported deaths for the country.

There's a cold front blasting through the State this morning and we're copping a huge downpour with a wee bit of BB sized hail. Tanks & dams are full! Petrol and diesel prices have reportedly dropped to below A$1 per litre but I really haven't seen it happening here in St Helens. Perhaps later on in the week but I won't be going into town again until Wednesday morning.

All's quiet... waving at neighbours as I see them. We're still smiling and the US expression "Hunker down' is gaining popularity.

Correction: The TV (Sky News) has just reported that 4 new deaths have occurred, so we're up to 34 (all of Australia)

 

[RSR]

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Try this:

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported - WSJ

If you go through a Google search, you should have access. The actual WSJ article is paywalled though.

 

[RSR]

Try this:

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported - WSJ

If you go through a Google search, you should have access. The actual WSJ article is paywalled though.

Ok, odd. Still not working. Try googling "bergamo deaths covid 19 versus last March".

When I do that, the first item in the news notifications is the WSJ article. If I click on that, I can read the entire article with no subscription. When I try to paste a link, it is always paywalled...

Here's a similar story from Reuters that covers the same topic:

Italy coronavirus death rate slows but studies suggest true tally higher - Reuters

The gist of the article is this. Bergamo has a population of about 1.2M. They officially reported about 2,000 COVID-19 deaths in March. However, the total death count for all deaths in March was about 4,500. In March of last year they reported about 500 deaths. So, where did the extra 2,000'ish deaths come from?

Most likely undiagnosed COVID-19 deaths as well as those that died of other causes that normally would have been able to get the care they needed, but weren't able to because the health care system was overloaded. This was in the wealthy Northern region of Italy with some of the better health care access.

 

[lman]

Try this:

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported - WSJ

If you go through a Google search, you should have access. The actual WSJ article is paywalled though.

Can't read the article in that link.

 

[RSR]

We have another health care crisis in the making.. hospitals that are empty, health care workers being sent home because there are no patients. We have areas that are slammed for sure, but the empty hospitals and clinics far out number them.. We need to open up the country for business sooner than Dr Fauci thinks.. it is going to take years to recover economically from this crisis... unless we are saved with the vaccine being developed.. I heard another existing drug is showing much promise, 1 dose, cured within 48hrs.

Common Anti-Parasite Drug May Kill Coronavirus in Under 48 Hours, Say Researchers

Interesting study, but unfortunately it was an in vitro (i.e. in a dish/out of the body) study. There is a big difference between killing something in a dish, and something in the body. (Pour bleach on the virus and it will kill it. Drinking bleach or injecting it into the bloodstream isn't advisable, though.)

Not to say it isn't an interesting and potentially promising approach, but it's very preliminary at this point.

 

[RSR]

Can't read the article in that link.

I'm addition to my message above, here is another link to a different news source quoting the same research that came to the conclusion.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[IslandTractor]

Interesting study, but unfortunately it was an in vitro (i.e. in a dish/out of the body) study. There is a big difference between killing something in a dish, and something in the body. (Pour bleach on the virus and it will kill it. Drinking bleach or injecting it into the bloodstream isn't advisable, though.)

Not to say it isn't an interesting and potentially promising approach, but it's very preliminary at this point.

Yes. The press is jumping all over these stories of instant cures with readily available drugs....very unlikely that they work in humans to prevent or treat viral disease based on previous experience. Certainly worth looking at in carefully designed and controlled studies but not ready for prime time.

 

[shooterdon]

Quick report from FORTRESS TASMANIA (Sunday, 5 Apr @ 1045). No change from yesterday re: cases or deaths... still 30 reported deaths for the country.

There's a cold front blasting through the State this morning and we're copping a huge downpour with a wee bit of BB sized hail. Tanks & dams are full! Petrol and diesel prices have reportedly dropped to below A$1 per litre but I really haven't seen it happening here in St Helens. Perhaps later on in the week but I won't be going into town again until Wednesday morning.

All's quiet... waving at neighbours as I see them. We're still smiling and the US expression "Hunker down' is gaining popularity.

Correction: The TV (Sky News) has just reported that 4 new deaths have occurred, so we're up to 34 (all of Australia)

Pray you Aussie痴 are not hit hard....your country has suffered enough recently.

 

[RSR]

It will cure you of the virus if you drink/inject enough bleach into your body. I'm pretty certain of that fact.:doctor:

I guess it depends on your definition of "cure".

 

[CalG]

Try this:

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported - WSJ

If you go through a Google search, you should have access. The actual WSJ article is paywalled though.

or

Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortality in all ages in Italy during recent seasons (213/14–216/17 seasons) - ScienceDirect