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Speaking of the treatment process....as I understand it there are byproucts from one or more parts of the treatment process and I wondered how those are disposed of.
Cooking oil cheaper than diesel?
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Dishpointer
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The main byproduct is glycerin which most people make soap out of it.
Dishpointer
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The main byproduct is glycerin which most people make soap out of it.
Guess I need to chime in on this one now. I have been using waste vegetable oil (WVO) for the past three years in my VW Passat, two years in my F350, and recently in my tractor. I am an engineer and have been involved in alternative fuels for the past 6 years.
WVO can be used as a direct replacement fuel for diesel, but it needs to be heated. My car and truck are setup where they start and run on diesel until they are warmed up to normal operating temps. Then I switch to my oil tank which has been heated by a heat exchanger flowing hot engine coolant through it. This thins out the WVO to nearly the same viscosity as diesel fuel and prevents any wear to the injection pump, injectors and allows for easy flowing through the fuel filter.
WVO energy content is only about 2% less than #2 diesel. I have never seen a drop in my fuel mileage and my injection pumps run quieter on WVO.
If you do not heat the WVO you run the risk of killing your injection pump and coking the injectors so badly they won't spray.
It is necessary to switch back to diesel before shutting down the engine for extended periods so that you can start back on diesel.
I have nearly 100,000 miles on my vehicles on WVO and have only spent an estimated $800 on diesel fuel during that time. I get my WVO for free and have a very simple filtering setup in my garage that allows me to pull in a vehicle and fill up whenever I need to.
Alex McKinney
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WVO can be used as a direct replacement fuel for diesel, but it needs to be heated. My car and truck are setup where they start and run on diesel until they are warmed up to normal operating temps. Then I switch to my oil tank which has been heated by a heat exchanger flowing hot engine coolant through it. This thins out the WVO to nearly the same viscosity as diesel fuel and prevents any wear to the injection pump, injectors and allows for easy flowing through the fuel filter.
WVO energy content is only about 2% less than #2 diesel. I have never seen a drop in my fuel mileage and my injection pumps run quieter on WVO.
If you do not heat the WVO you run the risk of killing your injection pump and coking the injectors so badly they won't spray.
It is necessary to switch back to diesel before shutting down the engine for extended periods so that you can start back on diesel.
I have nearly 100,000 miles on my vehicles on WVO and have only spent an estimated $800 on diesel fuel during that time. I get my WVO for free and have a very simple filtering setup in my garage that allows me to pull in a vehicle and fill up whenever I need to.
Alex McKinney
www.nativerenewables.com
Guess I need to chime in on this one now. I have been using waste vegetable oil (WVO) for the past three years in my VW Passat, two years in my F350, and recently in my tractor. I am an engineer and have been involved in alternative fuels for the past 6 years.
WVO can be used as a direct replacement fuel for diesel, but it needs to be heated. My car and truck are setup where they start and run on diesel until they are warmed up to normal operating temps. Then I switch to my oil tank which has been heated by a heat exchanger flowing hot engine coolant through it. This thins out the WVO to nearly the same viscosity as diesel fuel and prevents any wear to the injection pump, injectors and allows for easy flowing through the fuel filter.
WVO energy content is only about 2% less than #2 diesel. I have never seen a drop in my fuel mileage and my injection pumps run quieter on WVO.
If you do not heat the WVO you run the risk of killing your injection pump and coking the injectors so badly they won't spray.
It is necessary to switch back to diesel before shutting down the engine for extended periods so that you can start back on diesel.
I have nearly 100,000 miles on my vehicles on WVO and have only spent an estimated $800 on diesel fuel during that time. I get my WVO for free and have a very simple filtering setup in my garage that allows me to pull in a vehicle and fill up whenever I need to.
Alex McKinney
www.nativerenewables.com
WVO can be used as a direct replacement fuel for diesel, but it needs to be heated. My car and truck are setup where they start and run on diesel until they are warmed up to normal operating temps. Then I switch to my oil tank which has been heated by a heat exchanger flowing hot engine coolant through it. This thins out the WVO to nearly the same viscosity as diesel fuel and prevents any wear to the injection pump, injectors and allows for easy flowing through the fuel filter.
WVO energy content is only about 2% less than #2 diesel. I have never seen a drop in my fuel mileage and my injection pumps run quieter on WVO.
If you do not heat the WVO you run the risk of killing your injection pump and coking the injectors so badly they won't spray.
It is necessary to switch back to diesel before shutting down the engine for extended periods so that you can start back on diesel.
I have nearly 100,000 miles on my vehicles on WVO and have only spent an estimated $800 on diesel fuel during that time. I get my WVO for free and have a very simple filtering setup in my garage that allows me to pull in a vehicle and fill up whenever I need to.
Alex McKinney
www.nativerenewables.com
Humbleto
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Did some research and some calculating. If all the vegetable oils projected to be produced in the US for 2007 were to replace crude oil it would supply our (US) need for approximately 8.7 days. If you were just replacing diesel it would be more days, but we couldn't have any fried foods.
"Food for thought" /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
"Food for thought" /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Humbleto
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Did some research and some calculating. If all the vegetable oils projected to be produced in the US for 2007 were to replace crude oil it would supply our (US) need for approximately 8.7 days. If you were just replacing diesel it would be more days, but we couldn't have any fried foods.
"Food for thought" /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
"Food for thought" /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
michigandon
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What about all the thousands of acres out there that the government is paying people not to farm? What if all that land were put to use? I know that it would never be able to meet the fuel demand 100%. **** I'll be the first to admit that it wouldn't even come close. But even if it were able to make just the tiniest of dents............
michigandon
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What about all the thousands of acres out there that the government is paying people not to farm? What if all that land were put to use? I know that it would never be able to meet the fuel demand 100%. **** I'll be the first to admit that it wouldn't even come close. But even if it were able to make just the tiniest of dents............
Using WVO is not a solution to completely replace fossil fuels. There needs to be conservation and more fuel efficient vehicles developed. Right now in Europe you can buy a 3 cyl. diesel VW that gets 99 mpg, but due to US government restrictions on vehicle imports you can't buy that car in the US.
There is also research being done that will allow for faster vegetable oil production. Veg oil can be obtained from algae, which can be grow in days in stacked trays that take up much less space that land based crops. The oil does not just need to come from soy, corn and peanuts.
For me, right now, WVO is the best option for me. As an engineer I am also developing ways for others to use it more easily.
Alex McKinney
There is also research being done that will allow for faster vegetable oil production. Veg oil can be obtained from algae, which can be grow in days in stacked trays that take up much less space that land based crops. The oil does not just need to come from soy, corn and peanuts.
For me, right now, WVO is the best option for me. As an engineer I am also developing ways for others to use it more easily.
Alex McKinney
Using WVO is not a solution to completely replace fossil fuels. There needs to be conservation and more fuel efficient vehicles developed. Right now in Europe you can buy a 3 cyl. diesel VW that gets 99 mpg, but due to US government restrictions on vehicle imports you can't buy that car in the US.
There is also research being done that will allow for faster vegetable oil production. Veg oil can be obtained from algae, which can be grow in days in stacked trays that take up much less space that land based crops. The oil does not just need to come from soy, corn and peanuts.
For me, right now, WVO is the best option for me. As an engineer I am also developing ways for others to use it more easily.
Alex McKinney
There is also research being done that will allow for faster vegetable oil production. Veg oil can be obtained from algae, which can be grow in days in stacked trays that take up much less space that land based crops. The oil does not just need to come from soy, corn and peanuts.
For me, right now, WVO is the best option for me. As an engineer I am also developing ways for others to use it more easily.
Alex McKinney
Humbleto
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Not trying to rain on anyone, just pointing out where we are now and the extemely long row we have to hoe to get to energy independence. Interesting about the oil from algae. I knew there was algae that eats petroleum but didn't know about algae used to make veg. oil. Sounds promising.
Humbleto
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Not trying to rain on anyone, just pointing out where we are now and the extemely long row we have to hoe to get to energy independence. Interesting about the oil from algae. I knew there was algae that eats petroleum but didn't know about algae used to make veg. oil. Sounds promising.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Now the feds have to do something to make sure the auto manufacturers are doing there part to get these flex fuel and hybrid vehicles out on the road. I looked at a Ford Escape hybrid for the wife last year and it was so much more expensive that I could've drove a regular Escape for 5 years before I would've saved a nickel.)</font>
Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
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Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Now the feds have to do something to make sure the auto manufacturers are doing there part to get these flex fuel and hybrid vehicles out on the road. I looked at a Ford Escape hybrid for the wife last year and it was so much more expensive that I could've drove a regular Escape for 5 years before I would've saved a nickel.)</font>
Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
Jay
Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
Jay
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">(
Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
Jay )</font>
Yes, for right now they are a crock, but so is paying out the wazoo for a gallon of diesel or gas. We need to keep pushing at this and get better and better with it to get more fuel economy or just burn up the fossil fuels until they're all gone or we're all broke.
The plane the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk was a crock too, but it's a good thing they didn't just quit, eh?
The high tech computer you're typing on would've cost a few hundred thousand to build in 1976 and wouldn't have even fit in your Subaru, but today it's a little different.
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Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
Jay )</font>
Yes, for right now they are a crock, but so is paying out the wazoo for a gallon of diesel or gas. We need to keep pushing at this and get better and better with it to get more fuel economy or just burn up the fossil fuels until they're all gone or we're all broke.
The plane the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk was a crock too, but it's a good thing they didn't just quit, eh?
The high tech computer you're typing on would've cost a few hundred thousand to build in 1976 and wouldn't have even fit in your Subaru, but today it's a little different.
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howlin_wolf
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">(
Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
Jay )</font>
Yes, for right now they are a crock, but so is paying out the wazoo for a gallon of diesel or gas. We need to keep pushing at this and get better and better with it to get more fuel economy or just burn up the fossil fuels until they're all gone or we're all broke.
The plane the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk was a crock too, but it's a good thing they didn't just quit, eh?
The high tech computer you're typing on would've cost a few hundred thousand to build in 1976 and wouldn't have even fit in your Subaru, but today it's a little different.
/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Personally I think the whole Hybrid hype thing is a crock. It's a big pile of extremely expensive technology and potentially failed components (w/ associated high costs of ownership), just to get 45-60 MPG. A VW Rabbit Diesel got 60MPG in 1988. I got 45MPG in my first car, a 1976 Subaru DL w/ a flat 4 gas motor (although I DID have to keep it to 55MPH to get it). Pthth.
Jay )</font>
Yes, for right now they are a crock, but so is paying out the wazoo for a gallon of diesel or gas. We need to keep pushing at this and get better and better with it to get more fuel economy or just burn up the fossil fuels until they're all gone or we're all broke.
The plane the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk was a crock too, but it's a good thing they didn't just quit, eh?
The high tech computer you're typing on would've cost a few hundred thousand to build in 1976 and wouldn't have even fit in your Subaru, but today it's a little different.
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