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I would look for a different trailer. Like others have said there does not appear to be an axle to carry the weight to the tires. We use 10#/gallon for the water and tank weight for our FD trucks. Adding the trailer weight, pump, hose, and misc equipment I don't think you can get more than 100 gallons on it and that may be generous.
 
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Thanks for the feedback, even those who questioned the junk trailer's legality (I don't care if it's legal).
I realize that 400-500 gallons of water don't go that far, but obviously it goes a heck of a lot farther than the 2.5 gallons in the Amerex water fire extinguisher that many of us carry. If 500 gallons is useless, why carry the Amerex? Right, it's useful, just very limited.
Besides, there's an irrigation canal that flows along the long side of my land which I could probably pump a lot out of non-stop, or at the very least refill the 500 here and there, or the same out of my pond.

Finally, building and maintaining the fire trailer would keep Murphy at bay.... and besides, it would be a fun project, and from what I'm seeing around here, if I set up a good fire trailer, I could easily get my money back out of it if I decide to sell it.

About the junk trailer referenced above - while I think tying the main tubes together with cross-braces that would be necessary for carrying a tank would provide the main frame with sufficient strength (as mentioned in the original post), I think that the sketchy "axle" makes this trailer worth scrap; the frame itself is worth something but it probably needs an axle found. They're asking $200 on CL, so it may almost be worth that, but looking further afield I see some military M200 trailers at auction that would probably fit the bill really nicely:
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The M200 trailer is a 2.5 ton, so they'd be right at "capacity" with a 500 gallon tank. As I previously stated, this trailer isn't going anywhere but on my land or immediately next to it, so I'm not concerned about the typical capacity concerns you have when sizing a trailer for a carrying a tractor, that's going to be registered, and towed on roads & highways -- this fire trailer, if it's actually made, will probably hit 15mph at max, so I'm really not concerned about loading it to its capacity (I'm not towing it behind an M35A2 that's bombing down a rutted dirt road at 35mph).

These trailers have air over hydraulic brakes, which obviously aren't going to be used when towed by either my truck or tractor. My tractor weighs about 5k; presumably pulling this in low or medium range will be somewhat controllable... my truck, which is the more likely tow vehicle of the fire trailer (since I'd prefer to have the tractor available for cutting fire lines especially if the fire is coming across the meadow like last year when my idiot neighbor decided to remove blackberry brambles with fire) is a heavy 1-ton and is definitely capable of handling this loaded at low speeds. If not, something like this describes could be used to set up electric brakes.

(new 500 gallon poly tank from NT about $500; you could probably fit two 250 gallon IBC totes a lot cheaper)
 
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I honestly think you would be money and time ahead if you are able to get a military trailer for a price that works for you. Having a good chassis that gives you some space would make things easier.

As a suggestion, spend some time looking at UTV slip on fire skids - WaterAx brand comes to mind quickly, but there are plenty of other brands that come to mind. There's no sense in reinventing the wheel when it comes to engineering the plumbing and figuring out what type of pump ratings you might need to get appreciable pressure at the nozzle. In particular, you mentioned having a canal that runs along your property. Some, not all of those units are set up to have draft capabilities and that may be something worth looking in to.
 
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If you are gonna do it, and do it right besides making a doofer.... get yourself a tandem axle trailer and mount a five hundred to seven hundred and fifty gallon poly tank, Honda pump, plumbing and hoses and you won't regret it. During fire season in the PNW, loggers are required to have something of this nature present at all times on the landing. Some guys make them on skids so they can fly the skid mount down on the high lead in a tower logging show.

You could make it a permanent mount on a flatbed trailer, or configure it component wise to remove it when you feel you don't need it, and have a good flatbed trailer.
 
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Just remember gov't surplus is a shot in the dark unless you can view before you buy.
And the military trailers are usually under rated on weight capacity.
 
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It’s a great idea to have a fire pump trailer if you are in fire zones. I plan on putting one together in the next year or so.
 
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Just remember gov't surplus is a shot in the dark unless you can view before you buy.
And the military trailers are usually under rated on weight capacity.
I've seen the M200 trailer with dual wheels and it looks like they may all be set up for duals (at least what I've seen in pictures at auction) but only some are actually furnished with all four wheels... do you think the duals setup is for redundancy rather than increased load, given that the tires' load range is more than sufficient for the gvwr of ~7.2k? Or are they loading them more heavily (I haven't seen any specs that state these came in a higher gvwr) and need the duals?
 
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It’s a great idea to have a fire pump trailer if you are in fire zones. I plan on putting one together in the next year or so.
At the very least when coupled with fuels reduction it shows you're really trying!
 
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I'm thinking that small box axle is light. I understand you just want it for on property use but not sure that axle is capable for slow bouncing across a field with water.
 
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I would suggest the hubs on that trailer are good for 5000 lbs (6 lug), but the axle is not.
I've used a couple of different configurations, and I'd have to second the need for tandem axles. Given your low speed need, one of those military trailers with tandem axles would give you a lot of flexibility. You could keep stacking up IBC totes until you felt it was too much. Down here they are under $50 each.

One other note I'd add - 5000 lbs or more on an unbraked trailer is asking for trouble, especially on a small tractor. I had a "moment" a few years ago while filling up a water trailer on a very slight incline. I guess I didn't have the brakes on good enough, and as the weight the increased, the trailer pulled the truck backwards down the slope - guess who was standing near the back with a hose :/
Luckily I was able to jump in and hit the brakes by hand (a terrible idea in hindsight) just before it jack-knifed in to a horrible mess - but a lesson thoroughly learned!
Good luck with it.
 

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