Confused on the model numbers thinking of a T2310

[tschwerm]

The tractor I am looking at is a hydro transmission. I noticed it only has two speeds, compared to JD that has 3 speeds, any comments on this and which speed is used for brush cutting?

 

[Dreamin_Tractors]

It does have 2 speeds, but it also has a high/low button (Rabbit/turtle), like having 4 speeds. With the finish mower and flail mower I usually run in low range at high speed, it's plenty fast enough for me. If you don't have obstacles, rough terrain or really high grass you could run in high speed at low range.

 

[Dreamin_Tractors]

Here are a couple of pictures. The orange knob is the range selector. The Rabbit/Turtle switch is right behind the loader controller. I actually prefer the switch over the selector, because you can change easily when using the loader (going into a pile needing a slower speed), or when you get into a heavier load with an implement.

 

[Jimmy Joe]

Dreamin Tractors if you purchased a loader ready tractor you should also have a rabbit turtle switch incorporated in the joystick which is my favorite feature of this tractor loader combo. Anything I do using the loader or looking forward and operating the tractor I use the joystick switch, looking back operating an implement I use the fender mounted switch.

 

[tschwerm]

Thanks for clearing that up, in summary, you have four speeds two on the left fender and two electrical controls either on the joystick or right fender?

 

[Dreamin_Tractors]

Correct, basically two speeds on each fender. I forgot about the rabbit/turtle buttons on the loader joystick I use my grapple and they plumbed the controller on the joystick for opening and closing the grapple. I mostly run mowers or a box-blade and I typically use the fender switch out of habit.

From the picture you can see 3 black holes, 1 is a screw and the other two are the rabbit/turtle buttons.

 

[jinman]

Thanks for clearing that up, in summary, you have four speeds two on the left fender and two electrical controls either on the joystick or right fender?

One of my favorite features of this tractor is that Rabbit/Turtle switch. If I'm working in low range with the loader, I go to turtle just before digging with the FEL bucket. Then I switch to rabbit as I back away. It's an instantaneous switch performed by a solenoid. The solenoid opens a hydraulic valve which changes the HST motor between 9 and 15 degrees. When in high range, you can use turtle to start moving and then punch the rabbit button as you come up to full speed. It feels very much like an automatic transmission shift on a car, but the mechanics are nothing like the auto transmission. I don't know any other tractor that has such a feature, but it may be available. It is certainly one of my favorites. After observing me operating my tractor for awhile, my neighbor told me, "Jim, you change speeds all the time, but you never change gears. How do you do it?"

 

[JC-jetro]

After observing me operating my tractor for awhile, my neighbor told me, "Jim, you change speeds all the time, but you never change gears. How do you do it?"

Just tell him "it's all in the wrist", look at them go, lightening speed you know!!.

I'd be giving him the business in a friendly manner


JC,

 

[tschwerm]

Here is an update on my tractor shopping. I have been looking to trade my Ford 601 Workmaster with Wagner FEL fully restored and have been looking at NH T2310 2008 and JD4120 not quite an equal comparison but this is what i have paired it down to. The JD dealer has the 400CX(heavy duty) loader and a counter weight 3 pt bucket on a tractor with 350 hours in 9 out of 10 condition for $18,800 plus my tractor. The NH dealer has the T2310 with 16LA FEL with 265 hours about 15 months of warranty for $15,000 plus my tractor.
What are your thoughts of the price is this a good deal on the NH T2310?? JD 4120?


The John Deere has 43 horsepower 35 PTO, 6GPM more Hydraulics 3 speed plus an easier to remove FEL. I am trying to decide between the two.
I tried the NH and after having a discussion with the dealer I think I need your input on this .I asked him what gear you use low or high to mow with a brush cutter (I have a Rhino SE6). he said mostly high but he made a disturbing comment and What he said was if you are mowing and it gets too tough for the hydro in high gear the tractor will just stop moving no matter how hard you push down on the pedal. Ha said then you just put it in low gear.

I am very surprised at what he said ( My experience has been with a gear tractor).

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

 

[jinman]

The JD is the best tractor, but the NH is the best deal. You'll have to make the decision of which is most important to you.

Any tractor with an HST transmission can have transmission stall. It actually happens quite frequently in the higher gear ranges. On a gear tractor, if you pull too hard in a high gear, the engine stalls and you have to restart the engine. On an HST, the transmission stalls and you just shift to a lower range or go slower. It's like your FEL. If it can't lift something, the hydraulic pressure relief valve opens and the FEL stops without killing the engine. On the New Holland HST, the pressure builds inside the HST transmission up to a maximum of 5000 psi before the relief valve lifts. If you are in a lower range and have the engine rpm not high enough, you can stall the engine, but this doesn't happen that often with HST.

If you are mowing with a tractor, the cutter is attached to the PTO. You can absolutely stall the engine if you get into heavy grass and you are going to fast. You won't stall the transmission though. The PTO is all gear driven and has nothing to do with the HST transmission. If you get into heavy grass and the engine bogs down, just slow down a bit and everything will take care of itself. That's the beauty of HST and its infinitely variable speed. If you are pulling a plow, the transmission can stall. This is why plowing larger acreage is best done with a gear tractor instead of an HST. The HST shines in applications like FEL work and mowing where you have to vary your speed and reverse direction constantly.