Conflicting Info

[426DMB]

My 2615 manual has a conflict on what kind of fluid goes in the front axle. On one page, a general lube specs page, it shows to use hydraulic/transmission fluid. On the page where it shows the specific front axle service procedure it says to use 85W140 gear oil. Which is correct?
426DMB

 

[AchingBack]

My 2615 manual shows only gear oil, not hydraulic fluid in the front axel.

 

[MajMac392]

426DMB, I have the Cub Cadet version of your tractor (7234, 23HP 4WD, Manual shift, about 9 years old). I realize Mahindra may have changed the specs but I would guess it is still the same front end that is on the CC. My manual shows the same thing for the transmission and front differential. It calls for Cub Cadet Hydraulic Transmission Fluid "or" 85-140 Gear Lube. It says that in 2 or 3 places. I have done my recommened changes and I have always used the Hydraulic Transmission fluid. It has not been the Cub brand, just a quality fluid. My last change I used Case HyTran which is what the closest Cub dealer stocked but he sells a lot of other equipment and that is what was recommeneded. If you don't have a Mahindra Dealer close probably any quality HyTran type fluid would work. Kubota makes some good stuff along with NAPA and any other major manufacturer. My two cents.

 

[daTeacha]

Two items here:

First of all, in something like a front axle which does not involve pumping the fluid through small orifices, lots of pressure, etc. I think the main concern is just keeping the parts covered with lube. The heavy gear oil will work just fine, IMHO. I wouldn't put it in the hydraulic system, but in an axle, all it has to do is cling and flow. Any heavy gear oil will work.

Secondly, my CC dealer has a rather low opinion of the Cadets that they currently carry in the CUT size. The like the mowers just fine, but not the tractors. They also have a less than stellar of the past several years of CUT Cadets. What model/year of the Cadet CCs were basically Mitsu's and how different were they from the Mahindra 15 series we see now. Are they pretty good tractors or should I not even look?
I'm asking because CC went to bat for me with Kohler a while back over an engine issue and got me a new engine when the dealer couldn't and Kohler wouldn't. This was in an old Cadet 109 lawn/garden tractor.

 

[george3015]

I have a 3015 HST and have come upon the same issue. I don't know for sure but I would think if the MFD is like a differential in a car you would want to run the gear oil. I am also wondering if the rear end has the same situation. Maybe one of the dealers can answer this.

George

 

[wallace]

Most of the 15 series tractors come thru with hydro oil in the front axel.
When we do a service on a tractor we drain the front axel and put gear oil in it.
It does say in the manual to run gear oil in the front axel. Do not mis the oils if you run gear oil you need to drain the axel.

DO NOT PUT AXEL OIL IN THE REAR END!

You trans/ rear end is the resivor for the hydraulic system and you should only ever run hydraulic/trans fluid in it.

 

[george3015]

Thank you for the information Wallace. That makes sense to me.

George

 

[YanmarFever]

Thats also what we do for customers at their 50 hr. fluid changes.
We drain the hyd. oil, and replace with gear oil in the front axle.
It old oil burns real good in a waste oil heater !! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ernies Imports

 

[DavesTractor]

The official word from Mahindra is to use hy-trans in the front axle. That was clarified last week at the Mahindra Service school that we hosted here at our place. I really doubt it would hurt anything to run gear oil, it's slippery and of course it won't be as prone to leaking in an older tractor, but hy-trans is the proper ticket per Mahindra.

 

[YanmarFever]

HYtrans it is from now on !! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[MajMac392]

Two dealers in my area both used the HYTRAN brand in the Cubs/Mitsubishi models. Both of them sold various pieces of farm or construction equipment so I assume they probably used the HYTRAN in most of it. One of them has since dropped Cubs after a number of years and focuses on heavy equipment not CUTs. When I did my 200 hour service, I did a lot of checking and finally figured that using the HYTRAN brand made since. I use it in the axle as well as the hyd. system. The price was about average with other oils and it had a proven quality.

 

[CMunger]

Let's see, I am going to try this and I not sure axactlly, but according to tractor manufacures, that the Transmission/Hydraulic oil made today has better lubricating properties than the old 90 wt gear oil, because of the additives that have been developed over the years. When there were no additives they left the old thick to get it to stick to the gears, now they have additives that cause the oil to stick and create a film. Even larger farm tractors are using tran/hyd. in the front axle.
Chuck M.

 

[jwcinpk]

Are you guys refering to the penzoil brand product? Hy Trans or Hydra Trans?

 

[Keith_B]

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I think they aren't being brand specific, but are merely saying to use the same hydraulic-transmission fluid you use in the front axle just as you do the tranny and hydraulic system.

 

[MajMac392]

When I was referring to HYTRAN I thought I had been specific but I realize I wasn't. The HY-Tran I referred to is actually made by IH Case. I don't completely remember the connection I found but when I researched it 2-3 years ago I found what I thought was a distinct connection between the Cub Cadet Hydraulic Oils and the IH Case brand. When I found that and that two Cub dealers sold Case Equipment, I figured the Case Hy-Tran was a good bet. I think you are safe with any quality fluid, Valvoline, NAPA, Kubota, etc. Many now have it in synthetic as well but is normally pricer than the standard fluids. Very likely the stuff Wally World sells comes from one of the major manufacturers and is probably just as good.

 

[jwcinpk]

Just wondering if we've been using the right stuff. We use Penzoil brand and I believe it's called Hydra Trans.

 

[BobG_in_VA]

jwcinpk: If you are still ridin' that 6000? I believe the specs are different for the 00 series, in relation to the TYM/Mitshu tractors. BobG in VA

 

[426DMB]

I've been slammed busy and have not been able to reply. A "Thank You" is in order for all that responded. Since I went ahead and performed the service before everybody replied I went with the 85W140 oil. The best I can reckon from all the answers is that the trans/hydraulic type fluid may be the preferred fluid but either is OK. No snap crackle and pop noises from recent use so...... 426DMB