COMPARISON: Oranges and Oranges

[_RaT_]

"The previous owner had all 4 tires filled"



Unless you have duals on the rear, my understanding is you never fill the fronts. Bob was right about tractor weight. I did not fill my rears and still see n o need for it. Even when ripping with my boxblade (1000lbs) and rippers as deep as they can go I need to be in low with lots of wood on the fire. I like the weight/ballast ratio I'm at now without adding anything. As far as weights go with Kioti vs anyone, make sure your comparing oranges to oranges etc.. To simply assume a model is the same because the PTO HP is similar or the price is similar doesn't always mean they are the competing or similar model. Since I know nothing about Kioti or Kubotas B series, I leave it at that.

 

[sodamo]

DAP - Thanks for a great post and putting into words my observations from looking at both Kubota and Kioti. From my TBN education, the weight factor seems to favor Kioti. The ergonomics you mentioned seemed equal to me as I would have to adjust to either.

RichardG - So far, your posts have about as much informational content (,,)as your profile ( ) /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[DAP]

My Bad kinda, Don. The tire sizes are similar in size to do a general comparison but are withing and inch and a half at the measuring stick i.e. not swappable.

My point was that the 2 machines while ALMOST the exact same size are VERY different machines, most assuredly because of their weight differences /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.

 

[DAP]

CORRECTION: the CK25 and CK30 specs say they weigh precisely the same.

Um .... I have my doubts but the diff would be neglible.

Anyway, Kioti is looking for 300$ US per horsepower between the CK25 and the CK30.



I'd bet Skurka's ranch that the 25 will start to squeal and bog in uphill run through 20 inch pasture grass with a 5 foot brush cutter on the butt. I have a question about 25 hp pulling a 600lb cutter attached to a 3100lb machine (save the 8n arguments) up some slopes.

I digress ....

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue"> I'd bet Skurka's ranch that the 25 will start to squeal and bog in uphill run through 20 inch pasture grass with a 5 foot brush cutter on the butt. I have a question about 25 hp pulling a 600lb cutter attached to a 3100lb machine (save the 8n arguments) up some slopes</font>

I will say, there is no one machine that will work in every situation. If you have extreme mowing conditions to deal with, you'll find the extra HP beneficial.

Don

 

[RICHARDG]

Well,,,sodamoneo,you havn't read all of them then,,have you,,,look up the welding stuff,,,been pretty educational there,,,,,what do you think about those chinese tractors,,hard to beat,,ain't they? thingy

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue"> I live in gushy-squishy land </font>

Is this your place?

See the picture....

Don

 

[DAP]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( what do you think about those chinese tractors,,hard to beat,,ain't they? thingy )</font>

Sure are. The few I've seen were already beat before they were outta the crate.

Can't kill it twice can ya?

/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[DAP]

Don, I have parts near the seasonal streamlets that If I took anything with an engine on it, it would look a lot like that pic.

Back in the 1930s, a previous owner fitted an old Model T pickup with balloon tires to drive up the streamlets coming down from the Schunemunk ridge to the east of the property. Those lands were clear then, former pasture land, they are now a 70 year old forest.

Yankee swamp buggy inovator!

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue"> Yankee swamp buggy...... </font>

This is what you really need..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

See the picture...

Don

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Looked at the Kioti website, it basically stinks, they dont even have a photo of the tractor in full dress that you can see and point to all the features. )</font>
You're right Danny, it leaves a lot to be desired. However, they are working on trying to improve it. Over the last couple of months a lot of corrections have been made, and there are plans to improve the site and add some more user friendly features as well as some better informational aspects.
One of the things that really drives me nuts is that if you click on a picture at the bottom of a tractor model's page it opens a new window and returns the original one back to the top. If you want to see more of the pictures you have to either click the more pictures link or scroll back down. I addressed that one with them over 4 months ago, and it's still a problem. However, the internet lady called me Friday, left a message to call her about the website but I wasn't able to get back with her. Monday I'll find out what they have in mind. I'm hoping they're going to add some really good features. John

 

[JayC]

Wonder when they will be getting more pics of the CK25 & 30 up. They have been "coming soon" for quite a while now! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( One of the things that really drives me nuts is that if you click on a picture at the bottom of a tractor model's page it opens a new window and returns the original one back to the top. )</font>

I hear ya. That makes me want to rip my hair out! I hate it when it goes back up to the top of the page. I don't mind the new windows opening up, but keep the page where it was! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[sodamo]

Actually thingy, the welding posts I did find interesting and informative. As for the "hard to beat" tractor posts, well, they kinda match your profile.

 

[readytogo]

Hey, funny picture ~ squishy for sure. Looks like the vehicle has one of those "lighter alloy" frames. Maybe people with light tractors think they can float?

 

[readytogo]

Hey put a loader on it, could be the future in CUT's Sorta looks like the powertrac.

 

[RICHARDG]

Good for you,,merry christmas,,etc,if there is any thing else I can do for you,please do not hesitate to call,,,,,,,,,, thingy

 

[KiotiJohn]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Wonder when they will be getting more pics of the CK25 & 30 up. They have been "coming soon" for quite a while now! )</font>
I received an e-mail today from their internet lady who says they will be doing the corrections I sent, including coming soon, soon! LOL That's just what she said!
I'm sending them some of my shots to give them an idea of different shots they can use. I'm sure they can get their cameraman to take some really good ones and some aerials liek on little tractor's site. Little Tractor's CK30 Pic
Thanks to Shoppintractors for telling me about this one.
Anyway, the website is due for an overhaul, and it will take some time, but ideas are welcome. Just PM me if there's something you want to see. They have, so far, used a lot of my suggestions and corrections, it just always takes a while because the lady has many more jobs she has to do. John

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Personally I don't know what you guys are complaining about. I think Kioti's website is pretty good.

Now if you want to see a really crappy website, go to EITHER of the sites that CNH uses to promote their tractors. The New Holland site gives about 3/10th of the information needed. The Case site gives another 2/5 of the information needed. Both could use significantly more specs and more pictures. Both are selling (at least in the CUT classes) nearly identical tractors with identical capabilities, and getting any reasonable amount of information requires visiting BOTH sites and cross comparing the data. What a pain!

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue"> I'm sure they can get their cameraman to take some really good ones and some aerials liek on little tractor's site. Little Tractor's CK30 Pic </font>

Little rotates the pictures fairly often and the aerial view of the CK30 has been replaced by the formidable CK25 tractor-loader-backhoe combination.

Don

 

[_RaT_]

I agree Bob. The CNH site is in need of some help