Compact Utility Market Share Numbers - Anybody have Facts or Guesses?

[MessickFarmEqu]

our breakdown in the BX series would be

40% BX2370
15% BX1870
15% BX2670
30% BX25

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

our breakdown in the BX series would be

40% BX2370
15% BX1870
15% BX2670
30% BX25

 

[daugen]

In the discussion of India, don't forget that with huge numbers of people comes a huge need to feed them and an enormous market for farm equipment to grow the needed crops. So Mahindra has been filling that need locally and seems to be shaping up like other manufacturing conglomerates, branching out into new areas.
Living among the cotton, tobacco and bean fields of coastal NC I see a lot of colors here. But no Mahindra. Lot of old red IH, every conceivable new and old JD, plus a lot of shiny blue NH. All in the larger ag range. But when one looks back into the sheds behind folks houses, if it isn't old, it's usually a Kubota or a JD. Both have very good local dealerships.

Kubota could not have accomplished this if they did not treat their customers well. They seem to have very good dealerships and competent people in them, and I can only vouch for three dealers, but they all were good. I've never owned a modern SCUT but anything with a small FEL that won't ruin my lawn would sure be helpful around my place. Lot of mud and the Gravely gets stuck. I've been thinking that a little SCUT in 4wd would get through the muck a lot better.
But if you don't buy a FEL with SCUT, I don't see much point of having one. For mowing, a zero turn is usually a lot better tool, though we all know they are seriously dangerous on wet slopes where a SCUT might do a lot better.

With the huge populations of India and China, billions of people who need to be fed, there just has to be a huge tractor market there. And yes, I'd call that two wheel thing with a tiller attachment a rototiller, even if folks there use them to pull carts and other utility jobs.
Can we agree that a tractor should have four wheels to be legitimate?
And is 40hp the dividing line between SCUT and CUT or CUT and Utility? I always thought Utility came in at around 50hp.
Can we agree a Utility tractor ought to be able to run a small baler and pick up a heavy load in its FEL?.

Kubotas are expensive because they have a lot of tech in them apparently. My dashboard has lots of optional functionality I could live without.
Stall Guard, even with it on I've stalled the tractor. Though I do that more due to the aggravating seat sensor.
If we want Stall Guard, two speed hydros, two speed ptos, and soon, I'm sure, a subwoofer with our tractor stereo, it's gonna cost us.
Folks trying to feed the milions in Mumbai probably aren't worrying about Stall Guard...

Iseki makes very high quality equipment and has for a long time. They made some great products for Bolens. Best stuff Bolens ever had other than their big garden tractors. I'm surprised they aren't marketed more here. They clearly are in England as a TBN member has a nice new Iseki on his farm.

 

[ovrszd]

our breakdown in the BX series would be

40% BX2370
15% BX1870
15% BX2670
30% BX25

Does the volume of the BX25 surprise you Neil?? I know it's a handy little outfit. But man it's expensive.

 

[ovrszd]

But if you don't buy a FEL with SCUT, I don't see much point of having one. For mowing, a zero turn is usually a lot better tool, though we all know they are seriously dangerous on wet slopes where a SCUT might do a lot better.

I consider my JD2210 a SCUT. The bare tractor weighs 1400lbs. It's 4wd and HST. 3pt, diff lock, 2 speed trans. I have a 62"MMM and a 60" hydraulic front blade. No FEL. I've rarely wanted one for it.

On well manicured and gently sloped lawns a zero turn is definitely the winner performing mowing tasks. No question about that.

How well does a zero turn do pushing snow??

How well does a zero turn do carrying a rear tote box hauling dirt or firewood or trash or whatever??

70% of the hours put on my SCUT are with the MMM. The other 30% are put on it doing tasks that the zero turn cannot do.

With that said, it's inadequacies in the mowing department are accepted.

I'd love to have a zero turn but cannot justify the cost of it sitting in the corner while the SCUT does tractor chores.

 

[jenkinsph]

I consider my JD2210 a SCUT. The bare tractor weighs 1400lbs. It's 4wd and HST. 3pt, diff lock, 2 speed trans. I have a 62"MMM and a 60" hydraulic front blade. No FEL. I've rarely wanted one for it.

On well manicured and gently sloped lawns a zero turn is definitely the winner performing mowing tasks. No question about that.

How well does a zero turn do pushing snow??

How well does a zero turn do carrying a rear tote box hauling dirt or firewood or trash or whatever??

70% of the hours put on my SCUT are with the MMM. The other 30% are put on it doing tasks that the zero turn cannot do.

With that said, it's inadequacies in the mowing department are accepted.

I'd love to have a zero turn but cannot justify the cost of it sitting in the corner while the SCUT does tractor chores.

I think a lot of people are in this boat. A dedicated mower such as a zero turn is great for mowing in most cases, does a good job in less time. The garden tractors with 4 wheel steer and 4x4 and 24 hp such as my x749 can mow almost as well as a zero turn of that power. The zero turn will be a little better no doubt. But the garden tractor with 3 pt hitch and pto front and rear will also be able to run a variety of front and rear implements to maintain a lawn and driveway. The garden tractor also does a good job on most slopes.

The SCUT can mow pretty well, can be equipped with a fel for limited lifting and still handle all sorts of small implements to maintain a lawn and driveway. But it can not maneuver near as well as a zero turn or 4 wheel steer garden tractor. The fel while very handy necessitates having rear tire ballast and or weights to operate safely and is not desirable for a mowing machine. If the ground is dry enough you can still mow successfully with it.

A SCUT can handle lawn maintenance jobs and help with lots of small chores around a home. A larger compact and utility or field tractor can handle larger jobs as the size increases. If you have multiple size jobs to do you will likely need more than one size machine. Some need tiny to massive sized machines and rather than having every single size and step these people will overlap their choices. The SCUT does overlap between a zero turn and a compact tractor and does a fair job of it. For lots of people without a compact with fel it is a good all around choice. If you have a compact or tlb with fel such as I do the zero turn or garden tractor can be a better choice for the lawn and maintenance work.

What conditions you face such as terrain, lawn type and congestion/density of plantings can help determine which type lawn equipment will work best for you. For small acreages a small tractor is all you need. If you need to move a lot of dirt, plow larger fields you need a tractor sized to this work.

There really isn't an all in one tractor that does everything well. You have to pick what works best for most of your own specific jobs. You may get by with one machine or need twenty one machines depending on what you want to do.

 

[ovrszd]

I think a lot of people are in this boat. A dedicated mower such as a zero turn is great for mowing in most cases, does a good job in less time. The garden tractors with 4 wheel steer and 4x4 and 24 hp such as my x749 can mow almost as well as a zero turn of that power. The zero turn will be a little better no doubt. But the garden tractor with 3 pt hitch and pto front and rear will also be able to run a variety of front and rear implements to maintain a lawn and driveway. The garden tractor also does a good job on most slopes.

The SCUT can mow pretty well, can be equipped with a fel for limited lifting and still handle all sorts of small implements to maintain a lawn and driveway. But it can not maneuver near as well as a zero turn or 4 wheel steer garden tractor. The fel while very handy necessitates having rear tire ballast and or weights to operate safely and is not desirable for a mowing machine. If the ground is dry enough you can still mow successfully with it.

A SCUT can handle lawn maintenance jobs and help with lots of small chores around a home. A larger compact and utility or field tractor can handle larger jobs as the size increases. If you have multiple size jobs to do you will likely need more than one size machine. Some need tiny to massive sized machines and rather than having every single size and step these people will overlap their choices. The SCUT does overlap between a zero turn and a compact tractor and does a fair job of it. For lots of people without a compact with fel it is a good all around choice. If you have a compact or tlb with fel such as I do the zero turn or garden tractor can be a better choice for the lawn and maintenance work.

What conditions you face such as terrain, lawn type and congestion/density of plantings can help determine which type lawn equipment will work best for you. For small acreages a small tractor is all you need. If you need to move a lot of dirt, plow larger fields you need a tractor sized to this work.

There really isn't an all in one tractor that does everything well. You have to pick what works best for most of your own specific jobs. You may get by with one machine or need twenty one machines depending on what you want to do.

Is it alright if I print this off and give it to my wife for justification of buying yet another tractor????

 

[AxleHub]

Iseki makes very high quality equipment and has for a long time. They made some great products for Bolens. Best stuff Bolens ever had other than their big garden tractors. I'm surprised they aren't marketed more here. They clearly are in England as a TBN member has a nice new Iseki on his farm.

Daugen, You are right, Iseki does make great equipment. But they are already "now" heavily marketed in the U.S. in the Massey product line. Since 2013 when Agco/Case/White/Massey insisted to its dealers that they needed to carry and sell the GC1700 series and maybe even the 1700 series . . Iseki couldn't have gotten that power and influence on its own. One after another . . Kubota dealers working with the Agco group offer Massey GC1700s where they never did before . . and while Kubota has the lion's share of instant recognition . . the Massey products get good attention now that they had to struggle to get prior. Did kubota dealers ever sell Massey scut products prior to 2013? I don't know of any . . . but its a big country so maybe a few did.

Another great advantage is Iseki in the US, designs and engineers the whole tractor snd engine but then fhe front end loaders are built by an american company. I don't know if the mmm decks are Iseki or another vendor like the fel situation. But it allows Iseki to have some similar situations like kubota has for engineering control and whole unit manufacture instead of just engines etc. . . . except Iseki has the focus on the most important areas and not the risk and liability for marketing and dealer development plus also trying to make all the attachments too. I think their long term history with Massey is a clever one for both Massey and Iseki and allows both to maximize their positives.

And how much better does it get for customers than to have kubotas and masseys sold in the same dealerships in many cases in our region at least.

 

[daugen]

Oversized, I agree, for snow in the North, a SCUT with a blade or blower is likely a hugely valuable combo. I wasn't trying to throw rocks here, my neighbor had a JD 2 series and sold it for a zero turn. He never bought a FEL, didn't have a garden, only mowed with it and realized he really need a good lawn mower not a tractor. And of course since I his neighbor have my tractor available, he is seriously happier with a JD Zero turn that took an hour off mowing his lawn. I've owned a Ferris ZT with full suspension and big Kawasaki and it was an utter rocket. but I learned my one failing arm couldn't handle it. Easier to spin a wheel with power steering. But no question the Ferris would have saved time on my current five acres even though my current diesel JD garden tractor goes way faster than I have any desire to go.

Is there a fully made in the USA SCUT or CUT?
If it were good, I'd pay more for that.

No matter whether a S or C is in front of it, a utility tractor by name does a lot of things. The jack of all trades, and master of some.
And I agree, most of us can't afford a top of the line zero turn plus a CUT, not when kids are in college and money always seems a little tight.
And throw in a big garden tractor to tow the carts, and...

and some times you just have to run what you got, or in the old drag car days, what you brung...

 

[4570Man]

I have a B7200, a ZTR and a F-series Kubota. On a large mostly open yard the F series could probably beat the ZTR. On a small yard or a yard with lots of obstacles the ZTR will be the winner. On something that didn't get mowed as often as it should the F series will win. It has a shaft driven deck with a double belt and a Diesel engine. You can push that mower as hard as you want to go and it doesn't complain. The ZTR has a belt driven deck and only a single belt with a gas motor. If you push it hard the belts start to slip and the motor starts bogging down. I never intended on it to be fast. All it has to be is faster and easier than a weed whacker. I beat the hel! out of that machine on places I would never put the other machines. It is also the only 4x4 mower I have.