College drop out blues

   / College drop out blues #11  
Community college would be an good option. It is the best bang for the buck educationally. I was a late starter myself . I knocked around for a few years after getting out of the Navy. I ended up finishing college at 30. I wish I had not wasted those years.

Cheers,

Dennis
 
   / College drop out blues #12  
If he can't handle college how in the world could he handle the military? What about a tech school, he could still get a job{support himself} and have a career in a short time?
 
   / College drop out blues #13  
I got lost after highschool and college just faded away. After a dose of adult life I realized that I had better get my act together so I went back in a lesser program. It was all I could manage given my responsibilities.
In some ways I messed up my chance at higher education. In another way it put a passion in me to achieve. Rather than drag my *self* through a program, I approached it with a fear of missing something. I have kept that attitude and it has served me well in my career. I work hard at something that I really like to do.
If I had a message for the kid, it would be go work and pay some bills for a while. Then take a deep breath and think about what you want from life. Now take a look around, think about 10, 20 years down the road, do you want better for yourself and your family? How are you going to get there?
 
   / College drop out blues #14  
So my question is do you guys have any thoughts for a young guy who needs a little time to grow up?

Chris

Yes. I have some thoughts based on personal experience... so here goes! :p

When I was in high school I had no idea of what I wanted to do. The only thing that interested me at the time was electronics, girls and beer. Due to the beer, I do not remember too much as to how it happened, but shortly after I graduated from High School, I found myself sitting in an ITT technical institute office in Fort Wayne, IN with my parents, a stack of papers to sign making me responsible for what I considered massive amounts of debt in the form of student loans, and the prospect of being alone in a city 100 miles from home with no car, no girlfriend ( we broke up after high school ) and no job. I lost it, plain and simple. Went nuts! The prospect of massive change was just too much. I refused to sign the papers and went back home to South Bend with my folks. In the following weeks I enrolled at Indiana University in South Bend and started my freshman year on time. My folks gave me the same offer they gave all of my older sisters. You can live at home, with free room and board, as long as you are a full time college student. If you go part time or quit school, you will have to pay rent. My sisters all took on the debts and went away to college. I kind of felt abandoned by my siblings as they left, one by one. Then my friends left for college one by one. Then their parents moved away one by one. I was the last one left among my family, friends and community. It was awful.

Anyhow, I was fortunate enough to have a full time job pumping gas into airplanes at the airport and I was paying my way through school, so no debt on student loans. After a year and a half at I.U. I realized that college was not the route I needed to take, as I hated the way college is taught. That is, you have to see things as the professors see them, not as the facts present themselves. So I switched to Indiana Vocational Technical College and enrolled in a dual associates degree program in Electronic Communications and Industrial Electronics. Electronics aren't subjective like college professors. They either work or they don't. :p

In three years I earned two associate degrees, held a full time job and two part time jobs and dated my new girlfriend who is now my wife of 24 years. :) I came out of school debt free thanks to my parents letting me stay at home while I earned my degrees. I bought a house with my fiance' and I moved in. She stayed at her folks until we got married (pretty traditional... no shacking up! ). While I was earning my degrees, she earned hers... in Fort Wayne! :p

Anyhow, to make a long story short, traditional college is not for everyone. And for some folks, the massive changes of moving out, being on your own, taking on responsibility, etc... is just too much at the age of 18. Some folks grow up sooner. Some folks like me take longer to mature. There is no cookie cutter solution. I was fortunate enough to have parents that were able to understand that and afford to feed me for 4 more years. I worked off a lot of my food bills by maintaining their house and yard, doing the hard chores, running errands, etc... and it afforded me the opportunity to start my married life in the black with no debts. Ever since day one we have always been in the black, always owning more than we owed. That was the best way a guy could start a new life with his new bride and I have my parents to thank for that.

I would say give your kids the chance to feel secure at home if they need it, while setting rules regarding staying in school or learning a trade, paying as you go, etc... and the consequences of paying real rent if they quit school. I sure appreciated my parents for giving me that option. :)
 
   / College drop out blues #15  
Edit...Good post Moss, we posted around the same time and I missed yours.

Now mine...
At that age, he's probably pretty mixed up. If he does not have a father around, it's even worse. Having family and roots are important in raising a kid that knows what they want to do when they grow up and get ready to leave the house. Parents that take the time to do things with their kids and show/advise them as they are growing up will have successful young adults. Mixed up parents have mixed up kids. And kids do mature at different ages, but a lot of that depends on the parenting skills the parents have.

I speak from experience. As a kid...my family life was not the best. I did not do well in school, either. I left home, went into the military and for me that was the best thing I could have done. The rug was pulled out, I was finally away from home, was on my own along with everyone else...(in the same boat), and never looked back. Once on my own, the clouded thinking cleared up and things became clear. Finished school and am nearing retirement, now. I don't blame the kid...you have to look at the whole picture.

All I can say...is be a good da*n parent now, because it will affect your family for generations to come.
 
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   / College drop out blues #16  
Edit...Good post Moss, we posted around the same time and I missed yours.

Now mine...
At that age, he's probably pretty mixed up. If he does not have a father around, it's even worse. Having family and roots are important in raising a kid that knows what they want to do when they grow up and get ready to leave the house. Parents that take the time to do things with their kids and show/advise them as they are growing up will have successful young adults. Mixed up parents have mixed up kids. And kids do mature at different ages, but a lot of that depends on the parenting skills the parents have.

I speak from experience. As a kid...my family life was not the best. I did not do well in school, either. I left home, went into the military and for me that was the best thing I could have done. The rug was pulled out, I was on my own along with everyone else, and never looked back. Finished school and am nearing retirement, now. I don't blame the kid...you have to look at the whole picture.

All I can say...is be a good da*n parent now, because it will affect your family for generations to come.

I agree. My folks did the best they could for us the best they knew how. And they did better than their folks. I think we are doing better than them, so progress continues forward. :)

We have two. One is 12 and the other is 17, junior in HS. Thinking about college, but does not have a clue as to what she wants to do for a starter career, let alone a life choice. I told her, Heck, I don't know what I want to do when I grow up either, and I'm almost 49! :D
 
   / College drop out blues #18  
Great post Moss! I use that "don't know what I want to be when I grow up" line a lot myself and I will be 48 next month.

You know, we went out with a BUNCH of friends this weekend for someone's birthday. All sorts of folks from all walks of life. Some college educated, some with trade school like me, some with only on the job training right out of high school. What we all had in common was concern for our kids, concern for society and concern the beer would run out! :p What a bunch of big kids! Not one of us acts like what we thought we should be acting like when we hit that age. You still feel the same inside at 48 as you did at 28. Your joints just don't bend the same way any more. That is about the only difference. That, and my hair fell out. And my inseam is less than my waist. And I weigh 90 pounds more. And I have glasses. And I'm an inch shorter. Other than that, though, just about the same! :D
 
   / College drop out blues #19  
May be that his Mom is the problem, and until she sees it, no one else can make the child grow up.
This mentality of striking out on your own, needs to be instilled in the kids mind long before now IMO.

I have my youngest in the same boat. Was lucky enough to
get accepted into a big name big $$$ flight school, wanted to fly
commercially, but found out that frat life was more fun and before you
knew it, a year and a half of school out the window. not to mention
the $$$, gone, poof.

took a year or so to try to figure out where to go next, tried living
with me, but I wasn't one to put up with supporting the lifestyle like
mom would. so back he headed to her , and spent another year
working part time here and there till he decides he doesn't like
that job and quits.

sometimes it takes years to figure out their path i guess.

this january, he is now picked up with a community college and
started school again, hopefully he will keep up with it and get
some sort of degree. oh, and he's still looking for a job.
and still living with mom.
 
   / College drop out blues #20  
There's a saying that prescription before diagnosis equals malpractice. I think one needs to know more about your nephew, his interests and abilities and then needs to know what caused him to drop out. Then start talking with him to figure out what's next.

Generally, my impression is that schools cram a lot of one size fits all stuff into kids and don't spend any time trying to figure out their abilities and interests. Some schools don't seem to take any personal interest in their students to get to know them and give them any guidance.

We're not all clones stamped out of the same cookie cutter.
 

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