Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C?

   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #91  
If you remove the air filter so you have direct access to the air suction inlet, stuff a couple of sheets of newspaper or similar up the air intake and set fire to them whilst cranking. Guaranteed solution in any weather.
Saw a guy using a propane torch fire up an old worn out crawler in 27 degree weather without glow plugs. He pulled the air duct shot the propane flame into the intake while turning it over and it fired on the third or fourth cylinder.
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #92  
-35*C here for several days/weeks at a time...

Brand new top-of-the-line Interstate battery...

Winter Diesel, Block Heater AND Battery Tender...

l even cycled the glow plugs several extra times...

CLICK< CLICK< CLICK< CLICK< CLICK< CLICK< CLICK

Of course it fired right up with the Lithium Ion portable power bank...that thing is a real life saver.

(Had to remove the air cleaner to reach the battery terminals *grumble, grumble*)

l'll definitely be shopping for a Battery Blanket next time we go to town.

Thanks for all the great ideas, tips and personal experience.

Warmer weather is only a few short weeks away!

Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow.

🚜 ding beep
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #93  
I'm always amazed at how much the capacity of a lead acid battery is influenced by temperature. At -15C (5F) the capacity is reduced by 50% compared to the battery being at 25C (77F):

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   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #94  
-35*C here for several days/weeks at a time...

Brand new top-of-the-line Interstate battery...
Unfortunately, after decades of being a loyal Interstate user, and retailer, I have found they are not what they once were.

My last two, the one in my tractor, and the one in my car, were short lived. And, others I know have been disappointed.

NAPA legend battery, was always my second choice. I'm going to try those for a while.
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #95  
thclimer: That's an interesting graph; it explains a lot about lead acid batteries and cold climate.

So...it doesn't really matter if my battery has 400 CCA or 800 CCA...that puppy is 100% flat at -35*C

And...the best way to get ol' ding beep poppin' again is to warm up the battery.

Thanks for posting! 🚜 ding beep
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #96  
General Chemistry rule of thumb: For every 10-C increase in temperature the reaction speed doubles. So, if you drop 10-C, I’d expect the amperage will be about half. There is a specific temperature that the battery CCA is measured at, but I can’t remember what it is.

On my JDM tiny truck that I use to plow with, I installed shore power. I split that into two runs. One goes through a thermostatic switch, which closes and energizes the line at 0-C. The feeds the self adhesive oil pan heaters on the oil pan, transmission, and transfer case, plus a battery heating pad. The other line is on anytime the truck is plugged in, and connects to a battery tender, to keep the battery topped off. That solved all the cold start issues i as having with it.

Next summer, I’ll do something similar to the tractor. Probably still plow with the tiny truck, and use the FEL on the tractor to pick up snow from piles by the driveway, and move it so I have somewhere near the driveway to push it to.

Tip on running 120V power on vehicles. Buy a roll of hollow stainless steel grounding strap, and use it to sheath all the cable runs. Ground it to the frame at both ends, and connect the Equipment Grounding Conductor from the power feed to the frame of the tractor. Run the power through a GFI breaker. If you get a short the GFI will trip. You could use EMT, instead of the braided ground strap. But, then you would need to put a bunch of complex bends in the stiff tubing. The ground strap just runs where you need it to, and clips in with cable ties.
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #97  
thclimer: That's an interesting graph; it explains a lot about lead acid batteries and cold climate.

So...it doesn't really matter if my battery has 400 CCA or 800 CCA...that puppy is 100% flat at -35*C

And...the best way to get ol' ding beep poppin' again is to warm up the battery.

Thanks for posting! 🚜 ding beep
The graph comes from a Canadian battery manufacture (Rolls Battery Engineering), here is a link to the site:

Temperature vs. Capacity - Flooded Lead Acid Batteries

I'm sure at -35C there is still some energy remaining in a battery.

The site also describes how the "life cycle" of a lead-acid battery is reduced at warmer temps but increase in colder temps. I guess its the nature of wet chemistry where an increase in temperature speeds up reactions and cooling something down helps to slow those reactions.
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #98  
Get rid of 15w40 goo in the crankcase. If cranking speed is a minimum of 100 rpm with 15w40, it would be 160 rpm with 10w30 or 10w40 and 180 rpm with 0w30 or 0w40. Could be difference between starting and running and or starting and stalling or not starting. If cranking speed is less than about 100 rpm, it's a no start.
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #99  
Years ago, here at minor hockey league games, they had free booster services after the game. People would go to the game, and after drawing the battery down some on starting, their cold battery doesn't get enough time to take charge, well, the outcome is easy to figure.
 
   / Cold weather start, with glow plugs and block heater. Why does my tractor not start at minus 20 C? #100  
Temp?

It's been a popular "trick" in my family back as far as I can recall (growing up in the Dakotas. where it was COLD last night). Run the headlights for about a minute on a cold battery. That draw "warms up" the electrons without drawing down the battery too much.

Sometimes it seems to work. Doesn't do anything about the cold air though ;-)
 

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