CK30 clutch issues

[williekioti]

Looking for some assistance from the pack. Was moving snow today after the last storm, I'm about 90% done and the tractor stops moving with what I would consider a light pile of snow out front. I'm on a slope, so figure I just lost traction. One front tire is spinning, but neither of the rears and I've got the diff lock engaged. WTF!! I mess around with it a bit, put it on a little slope, FWD disengaged and the tractor stops forward momentum w/o spinning the rears. The engine only changes rpm very, very slightly before the "stopage". I don't smell anything unusual, but my clutch quite obviously is slipping right?

I checked the clutch pedal free play and it was only slightly out of spec(1.5-1.6"). I adjusted to 1.0" and retried, no joy, same symptoms. I completed the adjustment at the 50hr service per the manual and now at 135hrs, could my clutch actually be cooked already? Is there something else I can check before I call my dealer? Will have to wait until Monday morning anyways. This sucks, I was w/o the tractor for over a month last winter with a faulty injector pump. It was replaced under warranty but that still didn't help with the time lost or pick up & delivery costs since I moved away from my original dealer. I really need the little orange beast this time of year for snow removal. Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Oh yeah, CK30 gear drive.

 

[HODAK]

If one front tire continues to spin, it would not be the clutch.

 

[williekioti]

If one front tire continues to spin, it would not be the clutch.

I thought that a bit odd myself. What else should I be looking at? Engine spinning, in gear, clutch engaged what else is there? Unless something is amiss in the gear box. There were no unusual sounds or sensations on either occaision. Just no go until I reduced the load by reversing direction. I did not drive it extensively after the anomoly for fear of damaging something. It did propel itself across slope, down slope and even up slope w/o load. But putting the two rears in the dip beside my driveway(in 2WD) and the front facing up slope (call it 10*) engaging clutch yields no go, no tire spin. Could reverse back onto drive no problem.

Before the problem I had been moving snow with the bucket and the rear blade in forward and reverse (pulling it with angled blade and pushing back in reverse). Also, I do store the tractor with clutch disengaged utilizing the catch on the pedal as per the manual and what I've been advised by the service tech.

 

[kioti180]

I am having a problem with my ck 20 gear. Accept that the rear tires spin fine but the front wheels are barely spinning. On flat ground in the snow the tractor is not moving. It is like the 4x4 is not working.

 

[williekioti]

OK, I am a complete idiot. Problem identified and I feel very stupid right now. Spoke to my dealer this morning, explained my "problem" and he asked can you have someone look at the rims while you experience the problem. Duh, I didn't even have to go that far, just a quick look at the rims and I could see slight residue from the rimguard around the beads. So now I know it's nothing serious but have to see if checking and repressuring the tires will solve the problem.

 

[JC-jetro]

OK, I am a complete idiot. Problem identified and I feel very stupid right now. Spoke to my dealer this morning, explained my "problem" and he asked can you have someone look at the rims while you experience the problem. Duh, I didn't even have to go that far, just a quick look at the rims and I could see slight residue from the rimguard around the beads. So now I know it's nothing serious but have to see if checking and repressuring the tires will solve the problem.

So you were spinning the rim with the tire locked in place without tires going flat while rimguard was lubricating the tire and the rim?

JC,

 

[williekioti]

So you were spinning the rim with the tire locked in place without tires going flat while rimguard was lubricating the tire and the rim?

JC,

That would be correct, from the evidence at hand. Are you going to tell me now that I'm screwed, will have to remove my tires/rims, drain, clean up the bead/rim, reseat, refill, air back up and re-install? I so hope not.........................(as the white stuff continues to fall)

 

[williekioti]

Update to I am an idiot thread; aired up the tires to max pressure, problem solved. Worked the beast good beating back my snow banks, back to 'er old form. The rears were down to single digits psi, fronts to 20. I believe I really dodged a bullet here, could have easily blown a bead off.



Guess I'll have to be a bit more vigilant with my PM....................(says to himself as he slinks off in humiliation)

 

[IXLR8]

I have not checked my tire pressures since the tractor was delivered almost a year ago. Thanks to your post... guess what I am doing when I get home. Today was a good day... I learned something more about my tractor.

 

[williekioti]

I have not checked my tire pressures since the tractor was delivered almost a year ago. Thanks to your post... guess what I am doing when I get home. Today was a good day... I learned something more about my tractor.

Anytime someone can learn something useful at my expense, me included, it's a good thing..............................

 

[albmn10]

Hey Willie glad you got your problem solved.. Question for you, i see you have the woods forks.. Have you tried to lift any pallets they weigh a ton ? Reason i ask is i bought a wood pellet boiler and was wondering if id be able to move the pallets around with a set of forks. I only have to lift them a foot or so to be able to move them. I also considered a 3 point fork, but i dont know if that would be any better.. Any ideas ? Matt

 

[HODAK]

Low tire pressure - now that was great news!! And no, you're not an idiot. If anything, you will likely have helped somone else.

The question about your forks - you have the woods loader, correct? I know that you're aware, but others should remember that the lifting capacities are different.

 

[albmn10]

Yes we both have the Woods 1012 loaders..

 

[williekioti]

Hey Willie glad you got your problem solved.. Question for you, i see you have the woods forks.. Have you tried to lift any pallets they weigh a ton ? Reason i ask is i bought a wood pellet boiler and was wondering if id be able to move the pallets around with a set of forks. I only have to lift them a foot or so to be able to move them. I also considered a 3 point fork, but i dont know if that would be any better.. Any ideas ? Matt

I have never lifted a "known" weight that big. That 28" x 10' green sawlog in my avatar was sure heavy and it lifted it fine. The tractor was unbalanced because I had nothing on the 3pt. I don't think I've hit relief with the forks on the loader, but I've sure lifted the back end of the tractor up more than a few times. A ton is a bit optimistic, but if the weight was placed as close to the back as possible, forks curled slightly, proper balast in place and the weight carried close to terra firma.............I sure wouldn't bet against the Woods. That close to the limit, I'd sure want smooth and relatively level ground though. If I had a safe place to try it, I would.

Are you getting the pellets in a bin of measured weight or pallets of bagged pellets? If bagged you could re-distribute the weight to manageable palletized units.

Sorry I can't be any real help Matt.

 

[cabin kioti]

I would never have thought to check the tires spinning on the rims for that problem. That was a good post. I have my ck30 hst for over three years and I don't think I checked the air in the tires yet. I am pushing 400 hundred hours and the only problem I had was an injector problem that was repaired under warrenty. Happy for you that it was a easy fix.

 

[rfmr]

Guess I'll have to be a bit more vigilant with my PM

Thanks for the reminder. Haven't checked pressure in quite a while.

 

[jake98]

I would never have thought to check the tires spinning on the rims for that problem. That was a good post. I have my ck30 hst for over three years and I don't think I checked the air in the tires yet. I am pushing 400 hundred hours and the only problem I had was an injector problem that was repaired under warrenty. Happy for you that it was a easy fix.

ditto's on that from me too, you may have kept a bunch of us from having heart attacks when we thought the kiotis were breaking down... my injector pump went too, reved way high untill I shut the fuel off...
Jake

 

[williekioti]

ditto's on that from me too, you may have kept a bunch of us from having heart attacks when we thought the kiotis were breaking down... my injector pump went too, reved way high untill I shut the fuel off...
Jake

I had the injector pump go last winter as well. Mine did the same thing, revved to the sky and scared the cr@P out of me until I manually shut the fuel off. Got it to run briefly twice after that, enough to get in the garage. Mine was replaced under warranty, no problems since. It was a silly little shaft or some such, small part that malfunctioned but the nature of those pumps is it doesn't take much to throw 'em off kilter. I spoke to two different techs that had seen a very small number of them go like this, sounds like a bad source on some of the internals. The only other issue I've had with mine was a bad headlight relay fixed painlessly under warranty. Left for work one day, came home and it was fixed. I really miss being near my original dealer. Rodick's is the best.

I really am glad my little "lesson" is valuable to the rest of the pack. To be brutally honest I believe the last time I checked my tire pressures was about a year ago. It will now be part of my regular check up when I grease everything.

 

[cabin kioti]

When my injector pump went it would revup high and then it would not rev up at all. I changed the fuel filter and could not get it to start. I called the dealership and was told it was the rack in the injector pump. Had it repaired under warranty and all seems ok.

 

[Dirtnut]

maybe late here but i know i picked 1500lbs with my woods1012 loader it was all i could handle,6' bb,loaded r1's,2 guys standing on the bb,& the rear was still lite.lifted a pallet of steel panels off of a flat bed & that was the registered weight on the papers.