I am still trying to decide if I'm going to buy this machine but the dealer has stated he might not have the Kioti backhoe instock. If so what would be the best choice for an aftermarket and what would it cost. Also how much should the dealer take off of the orgingal quote that he had gave me that had included the kioti backhoe.
CK20 and backhoe options
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I am still trying to decide if I'm going to buy this machine but the dealer has stated he might not have the Kioti backhoe instock. If so what would be the best choice for an aftermarket and what would it cost. Also how much should the dealer take off of the orgingal quote that he had gave me that had included the kioti backhoe.
I have no idea what the dealer was quoting for the backhoe. You should always get a break down of each item so that you can deal with just this type of situation.
Tractors may be sold as a package, but the dealer knows how much he/she is charging for each item, and you should too.
In general, I would recommend you get a Woods backhoe. It is made very well, and has a better, in my opinion, method of hook up with a strong 4 pt connection. The groundbreaker 6000 is a good hoe for the CK20. I know at least one member is using their 70 hoe, but I think that's very heavy for the CK20.
The price of the Woods hoe may be a little more than the Kioti.
I think the Kioti hoe is retailing around $5,000, but I'm not positive of that as prices of everything have gone up over the last 3 years.
I'm not sure if the Woods backhoe would require that you have the Woods loader, but if so, it would still be worth doing in my estimate. I've been meaning to find out the answer to that, but I keep forgetting to ask my dealer.
Maybe Rick Wallace can answer that for us.
John
Tractors may be sold as a package, but the dealer knows how much he/she is charging for each item, and you should too.
In general, I would recommend you get a Woods backhoe. It is made very well, and has a better, in my opinion, method of hook up with a strong 4 pt connection. The groundbreaker 6000 is a good hoe for the CK20. I know at least one member is using their 70 hoe, but I think that's very heavy for the CK20.
The price of the Woods hoe may be a little more than the Kioti.
I think the Kioti hoe is retailing around $5,000, but I'm not positive of that as prices of everything have gone up over the last 3 years.
I'm not sure if the Woods backhoe would require that you have the Woods loader, but if so, it would still be worth doing in my estimate. I've been meaning to find out the answer to that, but I keep forgetting to ask my dealer.
Maybe Rick Wallace can answer that for us.
John
I have no idea what the dealer was quoting for the backhoe. You should always get a break down of each item so that you can deal with just this type of situation.
Tractors may be sold as a package, but the dealer knows how much he/she is charging for each item, and you should too.
In general, I would recommend you get a Woods backhoe. It is made very well, and has a better, in my opinion, method of hook up with a strong 4 pt connection. The groundbreaker 6000 is a good hoe for the CK20. I know at least one member is using their 70 hoe, but I think that's very heavy for the CK20.
The price of the Woods hoe may be a little more than the Kioti.
I think the Kioti hoe is retailing around $5,000, but I'm not positive of that as prices of everything have gone up over the last 3 years.
I'm not sure if the Woods backhoe would require that you have the Woods loader, but if so, it would still be worth doing in my estimate. I've been meaning to find out the answer to that, but I keep forgetting to ask my dealer.
Maybe Rick Wallace can answer that for us.
John
Tractors may be sold as a package, but the dealer knows how much he/she is charging for each item, and you should too.
In general, I would recommend you get a Woods backhoe. It is made very well, and has a better, in my opinion, method of hook up with a strong 4 pt connection. The groundbreaker 6000 is a good hoe for the CK20. I know at least one member is using their 70 hoe, but I think that's very heavy for the CK20.
The price of the Woods hoe may be a little more than the Kioti.
I think the Kioti hoe is retailing around $5,000, but I'm not positive of that as prices of everything have gone up over the last 3 years.
I'm not sure if the Woods backhoe would require that you have the Woods loader, but if so, it would still be worth doing in my estimate. I've been meaning to find out the answer to that, but I keep forgetting to ask my dealer.
Maybe Rick Wallace can answer that for us.
John
Highbeam
Super Member
"I'm not sure if the Woods backhoe would require that you have the Woods loader"
If it does, thats a bonus as the Kioti loaders are junk. I can say that since I am having problems with mine and Kioti is not stepping up. I will be making another thread, I'm just too angry right now.
If it does, thats a bonus as the Kioti loaders are junk. I can say that since I am having problems with mine and Kioti is not stepping up. I will be making another thread, I'm just too angry right now.
Highbeam
Super Member
"I'm not sure if the Woods backhoe would require that you have the Woods loader"
If it does, thats a bonus as the Kioti loaders are junk. I can say that since I am having problems with mine and Kioti is not stepping up. I will be making another thread, I'm just too angry right now.
If it does, thats a bonus as the Kioti loaders are junk. I can say that since I am having problems with mine and Kioti is not stepping up. I will be making another thread, I'm just too angry right now.
MotorSeven
Elite Member
uh oh......
{sitting on the edge of my seat}
RD
{sitting on the edge of my seat}
RD
MotorSeven
Elite Member
uh oh......
{sitting on the edge of my seat}
RD
{sitting on the edge of my seat}
RD
IslandTractor
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- 2007 Kioti DK40se HST, Woods BH
I agree with KiotiJohn that the Woods is probably the best choice. I have the Kioti KB2365 and am perfectly happy with it but there are some advantages to the Woods, especially the newer models. In addition to the 4pt mount and less obtrusive subframe, you can order them with a factory thumb.
Regarding cost of the KB2365, my dealer charged me $4800 installed. He threw in a set of rear remotes as he had installed them without asking me if I wanted them. (At the time I had no idea they would be useful for other things and were I to buy again today I'd gladly pay to have them installed)
I don't see how the FEL would determine which BH you could buy. There is no connection that I can envision. Maybe KiotiJohn can explain the possible connection.
Highbeam sounds a bit PO'd at the moment and is exaggerating. He has had a tough time due to a particular and well documented defect in older (that is not current production) FELs for both the CK20 and CK30. However, it is not fair to say the Kioti FELs are junk. In fact they work very well. Problem is that there is a rectanular cut out in the cross piece used to thread hydraulic hoses. Unfortunately the manufactuer did not radius the corners so they have been cracking. The design fix is trivial and already implemented. The repair is also fairly easy (drill the end of the crack to prevent it extending then grind and weld the crack. Finally, weld in a radius piece so it doesn't happen again. A competent welder should be able to do all that in a couple of hours)....poor Highbeam got butchered by some imbicle who tried to turn his FEL into an ersatz version of the Golden Gate Bridge. Fixed but UGLY. We have all supported the notion that Kioti should step up to the plate and replace the FEL as the repair was so bad. Seems like he is having trouble and it sounds like we will hear more on that topic. However, my point is that the Kioti FELs are actually quite good except for this now solved problem that should not affect new purchases (if the dealer has old stock make them check and weld in the radius pieces before you take delivery).
Regarding cost of the KB2365, my dealer charged me $4800 installed. He threw in a set of rear remotes as he had installed them without asking me if I wanted them. (At the time I had no idea they would be useful for other things and were I to buy again today I'd gladly pay to have them installed)
I don't see how the FEL would determine which BH you could buy. There is no connection that I can envision. Maybe KiotiJohn can explain the possible connection.
Highbeam sounds a bit PO'd at the moment and is exaggerating. He has had a tough time due to a particular and well documented defect in older (that is not current production) FELs for both the CK20 and CK30. However, it is not fair to say the Kioti FELs are junk. In fact they work very well. Problem is that there is a rectanular cut out in the cross piece used to thread hydraulic hoses. Unfortunately the manufactuer did not radius the corners so they have been cracking. The design fix is trivial and already implemented. The repair is also fairly easy (drill the end of the crack to prevent it extending then grind and weld the crack. Finally, weld in a radius piece so it doesn't happen again. A competent welder should be able to do all that in a couple of hours)....poor Highbeam got butchered by some imbicle who tried to turn his FEL into an ersatz version of the Golden Gate Bridge. Fixed but UGLY. We have all supported the notion that Kioti should step up to the plate and replace the FEL as the repair was so bad. Seems like he is having trouble and it sounds like we will hear more on that topic. However, my point is that the Kioti FELs are actually quite good except for this now solved problem that should not affect new purchases (if the dealer has old stock make them check and weld in the radius pieces before you take delivery).
IslandTractor
Super Star Member
- Joined
- Sep 15, 2005
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- 15,802
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- Prudence Island, RI
- Tractor
- 2007 Kioti DK40se HST, Woods BH
I agree with KiotiJohn that the Woods is probably the best choice. I have the Kioti KB2365 and am perfectly happy with it but there are some advantages to the Woods, especially the newer models. In addition to the 4pt mount and less obtrusive subframe, you can order them with a factory thumb.
Regarding cost of the KB2365, my dealer charged me $4800 installed. He threw in a set of rear remotes as he had installed them without asking me if I wanted them. (At the time I had no idea they would be useful for other things and were I to buy again today I'd gladly pay to have them installed)
I don't see how the FEL would determine which BH you could buy. There is no connection that I can envision. Maybe KiotiJohn can explain the possible connection.
Highbeam sounds a bit PO'd at the moment and is exaggerating. He has had a tough time due to a particular and well documented defect in older (that is not current production) FELs for both the CK20 and CK30. However, it is not fair to say the Kioti FELs are junk. In fact they work very well. Problem is that there is a rectanular cut out in the cross piece used to thread hydraulic hoses. Unfortunately the manufactuer did not radius the corners so they have been cracking. The design fix is trivial and already implemented. The repair is also fairly easy (drill the end of the crack to prevent it extending then grind and weld the crack. Finally, weld in a radius piece so it doesn't happen again. A competent welder should be able to do all that in a couple of hours)....poor Highbeam got butchered by some imbicle who tried to turn his FEL into an ersatz version of the Golden Gate Bridge. Fixed but UGLY. We have all supported the notion that Kioti should step up to the plate and replace the FEL as the repair was so bad. Seems like he is having trouble and it sounds like we will hear more on that topic. However, my point is that the Kioti FELs are actually quite good except for this now solved problem that should not affect new purchases (if the dealer has old stock make them check and weld in the radius pieces before you take delivery).
Regarding cost of the KB2365, my dealer charged me $4800 installed. He threw in a set of rear remotes as he had installed them without asking me if I wanted them. (At the time I had no idea they would be useful for other things and were I to buy again today I'd gladly pay to have them installed)
I don't see how the FEL would determine which BH you could buy. There is no connection that I can envision. Maybe KiotiJohn can explain the possible connection.
Highbeam sounds a bit PO'd at the moment and is exaggerating. He has had a tough time due to a particular and well documented defect in older (that is not current production) FELs for both the CK20 and CK30. However, it is not fair to say the Kioti FELs are junk. In fact they work very well. Problem is that there is a rectanular cut out in the cross piece used to thread hydraulic hoses. Unfortunately the manufactuer did not radius the corners so they have been cracking. The design fix is trivial and already implemented. The repair is also fairly easy (drill the end of the crack to prevent it extending then grind and weld the crack. Finally, weld in a radius piece so it doesn't happen again. A competent welder should be able to do all that in a couple of hours)....poor Highbeam got butchered by some imbicle who tried to turn his FEL into an ersatz version of the Golden Gate Bridge. Fixed but UGLY. We have all supported the notion that Kioti should step up to the plate and replace the FEL as the repair was so bad. Seems like he is having trouble and it sounds like we will hear more on that topic. However, my point is that the Kioti FELs are actually quite good except for this now solved problem that should not affect new purchases (if the dealer has old stock make them check and weld in the radius pieces before you take delivery).