Chinese Tractors Aren't Worth the Risk

Soundguy · Jun 4, 2002

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I think that is just an 'asian' tractor thing. My yanmar 1700 also has a 'smallish' operator platform. Once you are sitting.. everything is right there, gear and range selector, throttle, and all controlls. Just takes a few extra seconds to extricate yourself from it.

On the flip side, my NH 1920 feels like a living room in comparison. Takes a bit getting used to going back and forth!

Soundguy

"My 6', 250lb frame, requires careful getting on and off the tractor. It has many levers, the transmission between your legs, and smallish deck, require careful foot placement. Thought this would be something you needed to know. "

Anonymous Poster · Jun 4, 2002

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Could you please name the parts the chinese make that go into a Agco, Massey, CNH, Fendt, or NH ag. tractor??? I'm not talking berrings, but something like a tranny?, rear end parts?, castings? Engine parts??
Lots of stuff comes from a lot of countries, but i haven't been able to nail down a major part that comes from China for these ag. tractors???
So far, i'm finding the castings very soft on chinese stuff, maybe they have changed that in the last 6 mo. to a year, but i doupt it! "Yes" i've seen this cause problems! My friend built a loader for his, and picking up some very heavy steel, it pulled some of the studs out of the front end! He has all ready made new 3 point arms, because the factory ones were all bent up. He's not useing it for a over grown lawn mower, he's working his, and maybe that's the problem and why it's breaking?
Robert

SHIFTY · Jun 4, 2002

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Im not shure about your first quiestion but your friend home made loader needs to be braced to the rear axle housing,this should cut down on the stress to the front end,also if the loader he made has too much lifting capasity for the machine he's just asking for trouble,espechially if he's like me and pushes the loader to the limit by lifting way to much,A Big counter weight and still up on 3 wheels going from point A - B

Anonymous Poster · Jun 5, 2002

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My friends loader "is" braced properly to the back axle. It wasn't the loader bolts that pulled loose, it was the studs holding the front end together. Yes he had a very heavy load on the tractor. The studs pulled loose out of the casting!! He took it apart, and taped the holes to over size, so there's more contact area for them to hold.
Another friend of mine, figured compact tractors were too over rated, so he bought an older 27 HP Massey "vineyard" tractor. He has the same size lift cyclinders on his loader, and he hasn't bent or broken any thing on his tractor, and i've seen him lift some very heavy logs with it. Both of the above tractors have counter weights on them.
If you are the kind of guy that needs a lawn mower, plow a little snow, or have light duty loader work to do, and you have time to keep fixing the thing, a chinese tractor may work out for you, if not, don't buy one. I'm not that kind of guy, i won't put up with a light duty leaker, so they aren't for me!
Robert

JohnS · Jun 5, 2002

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What kind of Chinese tractor does your friend have?

Redfisher · Jun 5, 2002

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My friends loader "is" braced properly to the back axle. It wasn't the loader bolts that pulled loose, it was the studs holding the front end together. Yes he had a very heavy load on the tractor. The studs pulled loose out of the casting

Hmmmm Have not heard of this happing to a jinma with the correct sized loader on it

If you are the kind of guy that needs a lawn mower, plow a little snow, or have light duty loader work to do, and you have time to keep fixing the thing, a chinese tractor may work out for you, if not, don't buy one. I'm not that kind of guy, i won't put up with a light duty leaker, so they aren't for me! 

If thats your opinion so be it, But I would have to disagree.

Anonymous Poster · Jun 5, 2002

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I stand by what i said, don't use it hard, and it probably will last. But, i read that "on line survey" i saw the addy to here some place, and it looks like if you put all those tractors together in one place, it will look like the "Exon Valdez" was there!!

That's the same thing my friend has said about his.
My friends tractor is a Rhino,
Robert

Tractor_Barn · Jun 6, 2002

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Robert. I have no direct experience with Rhino tractors but have heard that there was a few quality problems specific to them. We use Jinmas on our farm for working a small (38 acre) garden and maintaining the rest of the farm. If assembled properly, they leak no more than any other tractor I've worked with.

To try to put things in perspective, I had a 1990 Ford F-150 with an E-4OD transmission that was the biggest piece of junk I ever drove. Do I think Ford's "aren't worth the risk"? Or, maybe feel that all American cars/trucks are junk? NO. My 94 Explorer has 140K miles on it with no major problems.

My point is, its dangerous to generalize based on limited experience.

Redfisher · Jun 6, 2002

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I stand by what i said, don't use it hard, and it probably will last. But, i read that "on line survey" i saw the addy to here some place, and it looks like if you put all those tractors together in one place, it will look like the "Exon Valdez" was there!!

You can stand by that all you want, BUT thats just YOUR opinion and I'll still tell you to you are wrong(in the case of my fathers jinma's perfromance) Unless you own one like alot of people on this or cota's forum ,you just don't know what you are talking about.(yeah I said it)

Anonymous Poster · Jun 6, 2002

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Hi there Mr Jinma,
"If" you are saying that i based my opinion "ONLY" on my friends expierence, then you are wrong, "if" you are saying i based it on personal expierence with Jinma tractors, you are right, because i don't know anyone "personally" with a Jinma tractor. I'm still of the opinion that all the Chinese tractors are of similar quality as far as metallurgy ect..

I "did" base my opinion on all the chinese tractors i've personally looked at and drove. I based my opinion on the fact that i know of several dealers who quit selling chinese tractors because they were a constant headache for them, and told me this. I based it on what i keep reading on the net like this,

http://www.ytmag.com/ttalk/messages/309593.html

and even the survey talked about on this thread will tell you something. (23) owners participated, and (12) had leakers!! That's more than 50%!! (2) are Jinma owners, and (1) leaked! That's still 50%, these things tell you something. And, what about all the other problems listed?? I all so read on line about suggestions to "zip tie" your hydraulic lines, and leave the "engine side panels" off when you put the loader on, so it's easier to fix the tractor when it breaks!! I all so based it on the fact i don't have "any of these problems" with the tractors i use on my farm, and i own (12) tractors at this time. ("none" are Chinese built)

I could go on, and on, but you can do a little on line surfing your self and find all kinds of people expressing their problems with Chinese tractors!!

I sure wouldn't call all this "limited expierence"!
Robert

Redfisher · Jun 6, 2002

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I sure wouldn't call all this "limited expierence"!

First off my name is not mr. jinma
And you are allowed to have your own opinion(Which i still disagree with) IF you don't like them thats fine but why keep coming to this forum and saying it over and over.(I do not like MF tractors but I dont go to that forum and tell them that i think they suck and so on.) get the point?

JohnS · Jun 6, 2002

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If you are refering to the survey on my website, it is Jinma tractors only. Even with the minor leaks look at the tractor satisfaction. That should tell you even more.

The link you provided was just someone looking for parts, with a few people jumping in to bash chinese tractors. Sound familiar? If he posted at the CTOA site, I am sure someone could help him out.

Your referance about the side panels, was probably from my site as well. Not just for repairs but even to check fluids and other things the side panels with a FEL, are just a pain. Jinma has a newer style hood that flips the whole nose up. This one does not have the issue of the older style.

Regardless of your personnel feelings on Chinese tractors, there are many happy and satisfied Jinma owners. That can't be ignored.

Anonymous Poster · Jun 6, 2002

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Redfisher
"IF" you were paying attention, you'd have seen my post wasn't aimed at you! Go back and reread it!!
It was to John, who signed his post Jinma dealer. ok???
As for me comeing here, i feel i'm entitled to reply to any post aimed at me, and your reason for constantly posting to me is????
BTW, i never said that chinese tractors suck, you need to read and understand what i'm posting, not just see what you want to see, and get mad!

To John,
Your right, there are happy Chinese tractor owners, and that's what makes the world go around. I never said no one should buy one, what i did say, is that they aren't "trouble free", (your survey shows that) and buyers should know before hand why they sell for less! Those of us that have owned modern tractors for a long time don't care to put up with that. That sure doesn't mean "no one" should buy one!!
Any way, thanks for your thoughts as a Jinma owner! If i see a Jinma, i'm going to make a point to look it over and see how it stacks up to the other chinese tractors i've all ready looked at and driven.
Happy tractoring,
Robert

JohnS · Jun 7, 2002

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Just to clarify, Vince @ Tractor Barn is the Jinma dealer. I am John, a Jinma owner. I already get too many emails asking for prices etc.

BTW, I am very surprised that having 12 tractors, that not one of them ever had a leak, be it fuel, hydraulic, or oil. Many farm tractors I have seen have had some leaks. The IH that helped lift my tractor out of the truck to the ground left a couple hyd oil spots on my driveway.

If you have driven or owned a Lexus, would you find that an Escort is a nice car?

Anonymous Poster · Jun 7, 2002

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John,
yes i have 12 tractors, and none have drips or puddles under them. Are you saying you can compare an old or older tractor to a "new" or near new chinese tractor when it comes to leaks?? I've bought a few new and near new tractors over the years, and i still have them. None of them leak to this day!!!
Any way, there's a blip on those little chihese dozers on ACMOC site, if you are interested.
See ya,
Robert

Small Dozer/Loader Site
http://www.acmoc.org/

Redfisher · Jun 7, 2002

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As for me comeing here, i feel i'm entitled to reply to any post aimed at me, and your reason for constantly posting to me is????

My Bad,I won't waste my time ok???????

Ledgemere Farm · Jun 7, 2002

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Ha. If you walk around our yard, you can see every place we parked an old Farmall. When they stop dripping, then, I know I have a problem. Saves on oil changes.

Ledgemere Farm · Jun 7, 2002

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Agreed. We had a John Deere 4430. It was the biggest piece-of-crap we ever owned. But, we also have (2) 4020's and a 4320, the best tractors we own. While we don't own a Chinese tractor, I believe their quality is improving. I know some farmers who use Belarus and Zetor tractors. I joked about them at first, but they have stood up right along our Farmall's and John Deere's.

JohnS · Jun 8, 2002

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Hey if your tractors haven't even had a seeping problem, I congradulate you with excellent choices.

I went to your link just for curiousity sake. Scrowld down through numerous posts without finding anything on Chinese dozers. Next time, please include direct links to the info you want someone to read. BTW, I do believe we are taking it a bit far, Going from lumping all Chinese tractors in a group, now adding all chinese dozers to it. I have heard about problems with various brands of Chinese dozers. Don't know if it something they have addressed or what brands or models might be problem plagued. Best to keep to wheeled tractors for this discussion.

Here is what you posted in a NH owning thread on broken axles:
"I've seen broken front ends on compacts before from loader work, but this is my first Boomer. Compacts just don't have the steel in them to take a continual dose of HD use! HD loader work is very hard on a tractor, and is considered border line abuse even on an ag. tractor!! This is why "wheel loaders" were invented!
Robert "

And a follow-up post on the question if you were refering to the Rhino:
"Actually, i wasn't thinking of the Rhino. I was thinking of a AWD Mitsubsihi that was driveing along with a bucket load of dirt, and one wheel hit a hole in the ground about 2"deep that made the loader bounce, and it broke the front end right off the tractor!! I don't remember the model.

I once saw a Kubota that was doing a lot of dirt work and it cracked a front spindle, it was about a 30 HP tractor. Another Kubota i saw one time after a summer of dirt work, had berring and seal trouble in the front end.

One summer i was doing a lot of land clearing with a 70HP AWD ag. tractor, useing the loader to push out trees, and clean out a ditch that is about 200' long. All of a sudden while backing up with a full load i heard a bang and grinding noise, and stoped moveing. I had shelled out the front ring and pinion!!!

HD dirt work is very hard on any tractor, let alone these light duty compacts!
Robert "

I guess the Rhino was the only one that failed because it was poorly made/designed? It appears you use your experiences to whatever side of an arguement you are are trying to make, even if it conflicts with what you have said elsewhere.

SHIFTY · Jun 8, 2002

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Johns
Very well said,Maybe the moderator should end this disschion since its going no where becides bashing the chinese tractors and not being helpfull or productive in anyway. I was a proud owner of a 2001 Kubota 3710hst which was purchased from a advertiser on this site,It develoved a leak at a fitting underneath after I had 3 hrs on it,I called them up and they sent me a couple of o-rings and the proublem was solved in about 45 min.,No matter what brand you have they can leak and most are easily fixed,I have owned chinese tractors in the past 16 months and still do to this day,I will say that I did sell my 3710 and did not replace it yet though it was an excellent tractor even with the minor leak that had to be adressed,The chinese tractors do the job,I do miss the hydro tranny alot,Im not saying that the Chinese are equal to Kubota in anyway what so ever ,I will proubally buy another Kubota in the future for the hydro,but for now,Ill brushhog and use the rake on what I have for now(JM284 & DF 384) and save the money,I ve got a little one on the way and the extra money will come in handy,a tractor is a tool to make life easier so get out their and work it what ever you own