Chinese Tractors Aren't Worth the Risk

Soundguy · Jun 4, 2002

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I think that is just an 'asian' tractor thing. My yanmar 1700 also has a 'smallish' operator platform. Once you are sitting.. everything is right there, gear and range selector, throttle, and all controlls. Just takes a few extra seconds to extricate yourself from it.

On the flip side, my NH 1920 feels like a living room in comparison. Takes a bit getting used to going back and forth!

Soundguy

"My 6', 250lb frame, requires careful getting on and off the tractor. It has many levers, the transmission between your legs, and smallish deck, require careful foot placement. Thought this would be something you needed to know. "

Anonymous Poster · Jun 4, 2002

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Could you please name the parts the chinese make that go into a Agco, Massey, CNH, Fendt, or NH ag. tractor??? I'm not talking berrings, but something like a tranny?, rear end parts?, castings? Engine parts??
Lots of stuff comes from a lot of countries, but i haven't been able to nail down a major part that comes from China for these ag. tractors???
So far, i'm finding the castings very soft on chinese stuff, maybe they have changed that in the last 6 mo. to a year, but i doupt it! "Yes" i've seen this cause problems! My friend built a loader for his, and picking up some very heavy steel, it pulled some of the studs out of the front end! He has all ready made new 3 point arms, because the factory ones were all bent up. He's not useing it for a over grown lawn mower, he's working his, and maybe that's the problem and why it's breaking?
Robert

SHIFTY · Jun 4, 2002

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Im not shure about your first quiestion but your friend home made loader needs to be braced to the rear axle housing,this should cut down on the stress to the front end,also if the loader he made has too much lifting capasity for the machine he's just asking for trouble,espechially if he's like me and pushes the loader to the limit by lifting way to much,A Big counter weight and still up on 3 wheels going from point A - B

Anonymous Poster · Jun 5, 2002

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My friends loader "is" braced properly to the back axle. It wasn't the loader bolts that pulled loose, it was the studs holding the front end together. Yes he had a very heavy load on the tractor. The studs pulled loose out of the casting!! He took it apart, and taped the holes to over size, so there's more contact area for them to hold.
Another friend of mine, figured compact tractors were too over rated, so he bought an older 27 HP Massey "vineyard" tractor. He has the same size lift cyclinders on his loader, and he hasn't bent or broken any thing on his tractor, and i've seen him lift some very heavy logs with it. Both of the above tractors have counter weights on them.
If you are the kind of guy that needs a lawn mower, plow a little snow, or have light duty loader work to do, and you have time to keep fixing the thing, a chinese tractor may work out for you, if not, don't buy one. I'm not that kind of guy, i won't put up with a light duty leaker, so they aren't for me!
Robert

JohnS · Jun 5, 2002

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What kind of Chinese tractor does your friend have?

Redfisher · Jun 5, 2002

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My friends loader "is" braced properly to the back axle. It wasn't the loader bolts that pulled loose, it was the studs holding the front end together. Yes he had a very heavy load on the tractor. The studs pulled loose out of the casting

Hmmmm Have not heard of this happing to a jinma with the correct sized loader on it

If you are the kind of guy that needs a lawn mower, plow a little snow, or have light duty loader work to do, and you have time to keep fixing the thing, a chinese tractor may work out for you, if not, don't buy one. I'm not that kind of guy, i won't put up with a light duty leaker, so they aren't for me! 

If thats your opinion so be it, But I would have to disagree.

Anonymous Poster · Jun 5, 2002

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I stand by what i said, don't use it hard, and it probably will last. But, i read that "on line survey" i saw the addy to here some place, and it looks like if you put all those tractors together in one place, it will look like the "Exon Valdez" was there!!

That's the same thing my friend has said about his.
My friends tractor is a Rhino,
Robert

Tractor_Barn · Jun 6, 2002

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Robert. I have no direct experience with Rhino tractors but have heard that there was a few quality problems specific to them. We use Jinmas on our farm for working a small (38 acre) garden and maintaining the rest of the farm. If assembled properly, they leak no more than any other tractor I've worked with.

To try to put things in perspective, I had a 1990 Ford F-150 with an E-4OD transmission that was the biggest piece of junk I ever drove. Do I think Ford's "aren't worth the risk"? Or, maybe feel that all American cars/trucks are junk? NO. My 94 Explorer has 140K miles on it with no major problems.

My point is, its dangerous to generalize based on limited experience.

Redfisher · Jun 6, 2002

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I stand by what i said, don't use it hard, and it probably will last. But, i read that "on line survey" i saw the addy to here some place, and it looks like if you put all those tractors together in one place, it will look like the "Exon Valdez" was there!!

You can stand by that all you want, BUT thats just YOUR opinion and I'll still tell you to you are wrong(in the case of my fathers jinma's perfromance) Unless you own one like alot of people on this or cota's forum ,you just don't know what you are talking about.(yeah I said it)

Anonymous Poster · Jun 6, 2002

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Hi there Mr Jinma,
"If" you are saying that i based my opinion "ONLY" on my friends expierence, then you are wrong, "if" you are saying i based it on personal expierence with Jinma tractors, you are right, because i don't know anyone "personally" with a Jinma tractor. I'm still of the opinion that all the Chinese tractors are of similar quality as far as metallurgy ect..

I "did" base my opinion on all the chinese tractors i've personally looked at and drove. I based my opinion on the fact that i know of several dealers who quit selling chinese tractors because they were a constant headache for them, and told me this. I based it on what i keep reading on the net like this,

http://www.ytmag.com/ttalk/messages/309593.html

and even the survey talked about on this thread will tell you something. (23) owners participated, and (12) had leakers!! That's more than 50%!! (2) are Jinma owners, and (1) leaked! That's still 50%, these things tell you something. And, what about all the other problems listed?? I all so read on line about suggestions to "zip tie" your hydraulic lines, and leave the "engine side panels" off when you put the loader on, so it's easier to fix the tractor when it breaks!! I all so based it on the fact i don't have "any of these problems" with the tractors i use on my farm, and i own (12) tractors at this time. ("none" are Chinese built)

I could go on, and on, but you can do a little on line surfing your self and find all kinds of people expressing their problems with Chinese tractors!!

I sure wouldn't call all this "limited expierence"!
Robert