case 446 PTO, hydraulics and 3ph

[JProcken]

Hi I've been talking about buying a case 446 how ever I don't know much about them other than they are a good investment. I've yet to see it but I was told it has the hydraulics in the front for the snowblower but not in the back. Is there any way to put hydraulics in the back along with the PTO and 3 Pont hitch if there not one already??

 

[casetractor]

yes they do have hydraulics on the front. i have a 3pt hitch on mine which it has hydraulics but it is expensive and usually doesnt come with the tractor. they are a good piece to have. also they are a great investment. i use mine to plow me out of the snow with the front blade.

 

[Travelover]

I have the small rear wheel Ingersoll (like a 222) and it is a great tractor, but if you are thinking about a 3 point hitch, you might want to look at something like a small Kubota B6100, B7100 or similar. For about the same money, you will have a much more capable tractor that will use universal implements run off the rear or mid PTO. You could even get 4x4 for a small premium. Check out Search Tempest to find these tractors in your area.

 

[hydriv]

Hi I've been talking about buying a case 446 how ever I don't know much about them other than they are a good investment. I've yet to see it but I was told it has the hydraulics in the front for the snowblower but not in the back. Is there any way to put hydraulics in the back along with the PTO and 3 Pont hitch if there not one already??

There has never been a CASE 446 with hydraulics in the front for a snowblower. Ingersoll, the company that bought the Outdoor Power Equipment Division from J. I. Case in 1983, did make the 3100 and 4100 Series of All Hydraulic garden tractors in 1991, 92 and 93 that used a hydraulically driven snow blower but even then, the hydraulic connections were at the rear of the tractor, not the front.

All Case 200 and 400 Series Hy-driv tractors were sold as a basic power unit and could be optioned out when ordered from the factory or later on at the dealer. One of the options was the rear-mounted hydraulic PTO kit that was used to power the rototiller initially but other attachments were developed for it. Those include a 4 foot rough cut (Bush Hog style) mower, a 48" finishing mower for the 3 pt hitch, a Hydra-Bagger, a Hydra-Vac, a chipper/shredder and several log splitters.

It's hard to answer your inquiry when you do not state WHY you want such a tractor and WHAT you expect it to do for you. How about we start with that?

 

[hydriv]

I have the small rear wheel Ingersoll (like a 222) and it is a great tractor, but if you are thinking about a 3 point hitch, you might want to look at something like a small Kubota B6100, B7100 or similar. For about the same money, you will have a much more capable tractor that will use universal implements run off the rear or mid PTO. You could even get 4x4 for a small premium. Check out Search Tempest to find these tractors in your area.

I don't know where you do your shopping for tractors but I see lots of Case tractors being sold from $300.00 to $1500.00 depending upon year, model, condition, location and options.

The Kubota models you speak to seem to be a lot more expensive.

KUBOTA B6100, Used KUBOTA B6100, KUBOTA B6100 For Sale At TractorHouse.com - Page 1

KUBOTA B7100, Used KUBOTA B7100, KUBOTA B7100 For Sale At TractorHouse.com - Page 1

Do you have an explanation?

 

[Travelover]

...........Do you have an explanation?

Why are you always so abrasive, hydrive?

 

[hydriv]

Why are you always so abrasive, hydrive?

Abrasive?

Why are you so obtuse?

A new member comes here looking for information about CASE tractors and you talk about Kubota's instead. If you don't know squat about the topic, then why not refrain from posting? Do you honestly think you were helping him by not staying on topic?

I posted those links to show what the models you suggested sell for and I also stated what I see Case models sell for on a regular basis. That's called "information". So... where's your information that shows MY information is not correct?

I see guys like you on forums all the time that just seem compelled to post something even when there's no substance to what they type out.

The above isn't abrasiveness..... it's honesty. But I doubt that you will see at that way. Try putting some FACTS into your posts and perhaps people will begin to take you seriously.

 

[Travelover]

To the OP, check out Search Tempest if you are interested in my suggestion.

To the abrasive poster, have a nice life. You are on my ignore list.

 

[Toyboy]

hydrive I wish I'd found this site when I had a 446. You have a wealth of information on the Case/Ingersoll machines. I got mine new as the change from Case was happening and had that machine for 25 years before selling it to get my used BX2230 a year ago. That 446 was a darn good machine.

 

[hydriv]

hydrive I wish I'd found this site when I had a 446. You have a wealth of information on the Case/Ingersoll machines. I got mine new as the change from Case was happening and had that machine for 25 years before selling it to get my used BX2230 a year ago. That 446 was a darn good machine.

Thank you sir, for the kind words.

I agree that the 446 is an excellent machine and there are a large number of them still in active duty today. There is no question about the quality and strength of the Kubota line either. I'm sure that you are equally pleased with your BX.

 

[JProcken]

Thanks for all the help see the thing is I need a tough lawnmower and will time soon need so kind of tractor. The reason for the 446 is a simple one my dad know I was looking to send 1-2 grand and told me stop dicking around with looking for a rider one of r friends are selling two cases one in great shape and the other one with the deck and snowblower all for a $1000 plus all the other things I could do with it like the tiller, loader and hopefully a post hole digger

 

[hydriv]

Thanks for all the help see the thing is I need a tough lawnmower and will time soon need so kind of tractor. The reason for the 446 is a simple one my dad know I was looking to send 1-2 grand and told me stop dicking around with looking for a rider one of r friends are selling two cases one in great shape and the other one with the deck and snowblower all for a $1000 plus all the other things I could do with it like the tiller, loader and hopefully a post hole digger

A 446 is a true garden tractor in every sense of the word. If you are seeking a tough machine to mow your grass, then a 446 certainly meets that description. Two 446's for $1000.00 would seem to be a very excellent buy.

It is possible to fabricate a front end loader for one of these tractors or you may come across a used after-market loader that can be adapted to fit. Either way, they are good for a max lift of about 300 plus pounds. Rototillers are not hard to find as a used item but they often bring upwards of $400.00 plus all by themselves on e-Bay and C/L.. If neither of these tractors are equipped with a rear PTO valve, you will need one of those. Expect to pay in the $200.00 region for a complete kit.

You will also need a sleeve hitch adaptor ($150.00) if you have a 3 pt hitch because the tillers are all designed to fit onto a sleeve hitch. If you do not have a hitch, then you must obtain a sleeve hitch ($200.00) or a 3 pt hitch ($400.00 +).

There is no such thing as a post hole digger for these tractors in the current market place. Owners have fabricated them in the past but it's a lot of work and expense for an item that is not used very often. You are further ahead just renting one for the day or weekend. It would be very desirable to purchase both tractors and then put both into good working order.

 

[JProcken]

O sorry one is going for $1500 thats the one in great shape from what I understand its more of a show tractor and the other one has bad pant and comes with a mower and snowblower that's the one for a $1000 still a great deal from what I have seen. I still don't know what he was talking about when he told me the hydraulics are in the front. Unless the the Guy before this one knew they where only going to use the hydraulics for the snowblower so they put them in front. We're talking about building a loader out of an old one. Its good to know they only are good for 300 pounds.

Thanks for the info its been a lot of help

 

[JProcken]

Hydriv

I've been seeing that you put motor oil in the hydraulics in sted of hydraulic fluid but is that non deturgent. Sorry my spelling not the best hopefully you know what I'm trying to say

 

[hydriv]

Hydriv

I've been seeing that you put motor oil in the hydraulics in sted of hydraulic fluid but is that non deturgent. Sorry my spelling not the best hopefully you know what I'm trying to say

There is the odd "hydraulic fluid" that will meet the requirements of these tractors but the factory has always kept it simple by specifying 20W40 motor oil. That grade is no longer popular but you can use 15W40 or 20W50 instead. It is the drive motors used in the tractor and implements that requires an oil of this viscosity. All multi-grade oils contain detergent and that's not a problem. You should be changing the hydraulic oil every year but going 2 years is not the end of the world for those who don't put many hours on their tractor each year. Shell's Rotella T 15W40 is often available in WalMart but you could use Chevron's Delo too.

 

[hydriv]

O sorry one is going for $1500 thats the one in great shape from what I understand its more of a show tractor and the other one has bad pant and comes with a mower and snowblower that's the one for a $1000 still a great deal from what I have seen. I still don't know what he was talking about when he told me the hydraulics are in the front. Unless the the Guy before this one knew they where only going to use the hydraulics for the snowblower so they put them in front. We're talking about building a loader out of an old one. Its good to know they only are good for 300 pounds.

Thanks for the info its been a lot of help

Without knowing the serial numbers, the options and attachments that come with each tractor, plus seeing photos....... it is hard for me to comment on values on a general scale. Obviously values will be affected by local demand. Engine condition is paramount because the cost of rebuilding an ONAN has increased in the past few years.