Can a B3030 handle a 60" flail mower

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Flail mowers come in light, medium, and heavy duty models. It can have sharp knives for fine cutting or dull hammers for breaking tough brush. Either is commonly Y or T shaped, possibly L. Light duty flail mowers have knives and are used for a fine turf cut; heavy duty units with hammers are for rough cutting.

Flails are for use in places where there may be bystanders. Standard mowers are cheaper for turf and rotary cutters (aka brush hogs, rough cutters) are cheaper for tough brush. The thing is, both of these are capable of launching life threatning projectiles (read rocks, glass, metal objects). That is a liability risk that highway departments and commercial businesses (which have people around) do not want to take. Flail mowers cost more, but by their design, they will not launch a rock at a car along the highway or at a child on a playground.

Rotary mowers and rotary rough cutters are cheaper than flails, and are far easier to maintain, as flails have many more moving parts, especially knives/hammers. If you have a place with no bystanders, use a rotary mower for turf and a rough cutter for brush. If you do have bystanders around, use a light duty flail or a reel mower for turf, and a heavy duty flail for brush. Medium duty flails are for in between situations.

Some of the earlier discussion about energy requirements did not take into consideration the differences between light duty (turf) and heavy duty (brush) applications. Brush cutters and all types of flails build a high degree of inertia in their high mass blades or axles. This kinetic energy is where the breaking power comes from to pulverize brush. A light duty rotary mower does not have the mass in its blades to build this inertia. It depends on the torque in the drive shaft coupled with sharp blades to cut the grass. Power must be constantly available in a rotary mower or it will easily stall if it meets resistance. Rough cutters and flails, with their high mass, can absorb and build energy in the form of inertia for several seconds when first engaged. If any of these hits an object, the pivoting connection allows the blade to deflec. There is far less chance of stalling due to both the high inertia and the pivoting blade deflecting.

Some flail units are on long multiple segment boom arms and can be lifted to considerable heights to give a nice haircut to the top of a large shrubbery hedge.

As to the original question, I speak only with opinion here, however I would think that a B3030 would be able to drive any of the type units discussed in this thread, other than the boom flail.
 
   / Can a B3030 handle a 60" flail mower
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#12  
Thanks for the input Tom. Seems like a most people have faith the 3030 has sufficient power. Whether it would be as comfortable as an L with a 5 or 6' flail mower probably depends on the driver, so I'll have to see.
 
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Todd
Before you make your decision be sure and go to the Agri-Supply web site and read all the technical info they have on the Caroni flail mowers. The 75" mower has a "B" rotor which has fewer and heavier knives and is intended more for brush cutting. The smaller units have "A" rotors with more, lighter and sharper knives and is intended for finish mowing. I am not looking for a "golf course" lawn so that the TM1900B does a satisfactory job on the grass for me. From the road the grass looks like a lawn and it does a good job on the brush.

Vernon
 
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#14  
Hi Vernon,

I just went to Caroni's website. The A and B rotors have the same number of blades, just different ones. It's the F that has twice as many.

I also stopped by another Kubota dealership today. They didn't have a B3030, but they did have the B7800 next to an L3540. I just can't see comfortably putting a 650# flail mower behind something the size of that B7800 and cutting 7 acres with it. I think the B3030 could handle it, I just don't think it's big enough to do so comfortably.

The B2710 seemed like plenty of tractor for our 10 acres in VT but I think it would feel small for our 11 acre pasture. In VT we cut a bit over 2 acres which didn't grow too fast, we rotary cut another 5 acres every 6 weeks max, tilled a half acre twice a year, used the blower for large snowstorms, spread mulch a few times a year . . . Basically, lots of small jobs. But here in NC we'll be finish cutting around 3 acres, and rough cutting 7 every 3 weeks or so, plus doing some light landscaping with the loader (aka: using it as a glorified wheel barrel. :) )

So less jobs, but larger portions. Think I'm gonna rule out the B and go with an L. If Deere widens their 3520, I'll look at that too, but right now it's just too tippy.
 
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Todd, this has been an interesting, and informative thread. I especially like your comments at the end on the difference between what a "B" can do, and what tractors might do the same thing "comfortably". Too often we forget that difference. I sold my little BX not for what it couldn't do, but because there were many things I wanted done that it couldn't do comfortably. I may buy another BX, but would view it all together differently this time than I did the first purchase.

One other tractor to throw in the mix if you like John Deere is the new 4105. It looks much more stable to me, and is in the price range of the lower 3000 series. I haven't driven one, so I don't know about maneuverability, etc., and I don't know what the hydraulic limitations are, but it's a solid looking tractor. It may be as big as a Grand L though....
 
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Thanks Chuck,
I hadn't read that big on the JD site or seen one at a dealer. It seems to have the same Wheel base and weight as the 3x20's, but bigger wheels. They don't list the width. No option for a mid PTO though, bummer. Looks like it's supposed to compete with the L3500/L4400, which are great sizes.
Todd
 
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Todd

I really like my Grand L30 and I hear the new 40 series has some advantages over the 30s. More money than the standard L's but I do enjoy the added features.

Vernon
 
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Todd, here are the dimensions I found. It's not as wide as it looks..

Dimensions
Wheelbase 1727 mm (68 in.)

Overall Length w/ 3-Point Hitch 3053 mm (120.2 in.)

Overall Width (minimum with R1 rear tires) 1601 mm (63 in.)

Overall Width (maximum with R4 rear tires) 1672 mm (65.8 in.)

Height From Ground
To Top of Hood 1450 mm (57.1 in.)

To Top of ROPS 2226 mm (87.6 in.)

Weight
With ROPS, 3-Point Hitch and all fluids 1315 kg (2899 lb)
 
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Chuck,
I think the deere 3520 is closer to 54" with R4's. That makes no sense to me, same wheel base, same weight . . .
And the 4105 has more power.
Don't know why I'm so married to the idea of a mid-PTO and MMM. I'll have to think about it.
Todd
 
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Sometimes Deere ( and the orange guys too) just seems to leave out the things we are really looking for.... frustrating.
 

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