California

[flusher]

North of SF is like a different State. The SF area sucks but I like the northern part of the state, and the people are a lot different too. Then again I think all cities suck no matter where they are.

That different state will be called "The State of Jefferson" if the CA secessionists have their way. Not holding my breath since those folks have been at it for 100 years or so.

I had a nice 10 acre ranch in Tehama County (120 miles north of Sacramento) for 10 years. My first taste of life in the country. It was just a flat hayfield with a couple dozen old almond trees when I bought it in Dec 2005.

Loved every minute it spent there. Large enough acreage to keep me busy with building projects, growing hay (until the drought hit 5 years ago). Nice, friendly neighbors. Quiet. Rural unincorporated area. Nearest town was Corning, CA population 7500 or so--small town life.

Had a million dollar view from my front porch: North (Mt. Shasta), East (Mt. Lassen), Northwest (Trinity Alps), West (Coast Range).

Enjoyed the 14 years I lived in Orange County, CA. But life in Northern CA is much better for the spirit, IMHO.

 

[dickfoster]

That different state will be called "The State of Jefferson" if the CA secessionists have their way. Not holding my breath since those folks have been at it for 100 years or so.

I had a nice 10 acre ranch in Tehama County (120 miles north of Sacramento) for 10 years. My first taste of life in the country. It was just a flat hayfield with a couple dozen old almond trees when I bought it in Dec 2005.

Loved every minute it spent there. Large enough acreage to keep me busy with building projects, growing hay (until the drought hit 5 years ago). Nice, friendly neighbors. Quiet. Rural unincorporated area. Nearest town was Corning, CA population 7500 or so--small town life.

Had a million dollar view from my front porch: North (Mt. Shasta), East (Mt. Lassen), Northwest (Trinity Alps), West (Coast Range).

Enjoyed the 14 years I lived in Orange County, CA. But life in Northern CA is much better for the spirit, IMHO.

Yet I still sign the petition every chance I get. It seems more and more counties wanting to escape the nut jobs in Sac and the cities. LOL so I know it isn't just me. It would be nice to have some actual representation at the state level for a change.

As far as quality of life I know exactly what you mean and I don't know how you can stand living in that cesspool now.

If I ever move again it will be OUT of this state and if the wife doesn't want to go, she can stay by herself. I won't be sucked back to the city.

The drought is a recurring theme here, I've seen several myself since the mid 70's so all you have to do is to get yourself set up to deal with it. Everyone has their cross to bear based on nature and where they live. It's drought or hurricanes or floods or blizzards or something. At least I'm more or less out of earthquake country now. My wife just asked me yesterday, do we want earthquake insurance? and I told her no. It's cheap here but it's only cheap because you don't need it and won't ever file a claim.

Still I'd rather put up with nature than all the crime, regulation and the other crap you have to deal with in a large city. You aren't protected from droughts living in the city anyway. You get your water from up here where I live so you're gonna dry up before I do.

 

[downsizingnow48]

California new laws for 2016 = 930. Legislature salary = 100k

Texas new laws for 2016 = 50. Legislature salary = 7k

You get what you pay for.

 

[houstonscott]

Seems like everyone you meet from California confesses to being conservative and complains about nut jobs, but still they elect these socialists and communists. The first thing in meeting someone from California is how fast they will tell you what their house is worth, you are suppose to be impressed, and their plans to sell and move, so they can get equity out of their home so they enjoy life. My response is why not move to where you want be now, and live your life if you are unhappy. Nearly all ask about Texas. Most are under impression the rest of the country gets up every morning wishing they lived in California, they are surprised to find this untrue. My experience is most pay so much as a percentage of their income for housing most are day-to-day poor. My life style here in Texas being one of a multi millionaire in California. A Californian will quickly tell you about their last trip to Hawaii, seems to be feather in the hat for them to go to Hawaii, shows you have enough to travel a bit. The price of gas comes up fast too. Since they live hand to mouth there after paying for housing, gas prices effect them a lot. Many are surprised how often Texans eat out, Houston being the leading city in the country for eating out. Most comment about the number of great restaurants in Texas, when they visit. HS

 

[California]

Seems like everyone you meet from California ... their plans to sell and move, so they can get equity out of their home... Nearly all ask about Texas.

Most are under impression the rest of the country gets up every morning wishing they lived in California ...

Sounds like all you know is dis-satisfied former Californians exploring moving to Texas. What you say is probably true of them. You must meet these types often. I literally have never in 70 years ever met anyone who would rather move to Texas. With 40 million people here your stereotypes are a very small proportion. I'm happy to see them go, let them take their dis-satisfaction to Texas where they might like it better.

As for Californians thinking many Americans wish they lived in California , well this is what we hear all the time, here. Because over 50% of California's population at any time in the last 166 years was born elsewhere and came here by intentional choice. Like your boasting about Texas, these new arrivals have a lot to say about why they made this decision.

Whatever, we're all Americans. Live and let live.

 

[houstonscott]

Sounds like all you know is dis-satisfied former Californians exploring moving to Texas. What you say is probably true of them. You must meet these types often. I literally have never in 70 years ever met anyone who would rather move to Texas. With 40 million people here your stereotypes are a very small proportion. I'm happy to see them go, let them take their dis-satisfaction to Texas where they might like it better. As for Californians thinking many Americans wish they lived in California , well this is what we hear all the time, here. Because over 50% of California's population at any time in the last 166 years was born elsewhere and came here by intentional choice. Like your boasting about Texas, these new arrivals have a lot to say about why they made this decision. Whatever, we're all Americans. Live and let live.

If you premiss is their moving to a better place, explain Californians and California business leaving. Your State has been bleeding population now for a decade. Most of Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, and Montana are full of California refugees. Many in those States wished they'd stayed, voicing you destroyed your State please don't destroy ours with your California politics, you destroyed your home, you should have to stay and live it rather then move and destroy another place. The difference between haves and have nots is ugly. You are simple wrong in your assessment of the current situation you are living in the 1950's, your age explains your misconception. You are right Texas is full of California refugees, and many from other States too, most thirst for freedom. HS

 

[ultrarunner]

I can honestly say I seldom ever meet anyone though work or socially that is or admits to being conservative.

The Hospital where I work has a token few on staff... older men and women... most with military service... the rank and file, admin, etc. are proud to be Liberal which is pretty much how thing are in the SF Bay Area.

I'm not a member of any party... but the SF Bay Area is not representative of California as a State.

 

[houstonscott]

I can honestly say I seldom ever meet anyone though work or socially that is or admits to being conservative. The Hospital where I work has a token few on staff... older men and women... most with military service... the rank and file, admin, etc. are proud to be Liberal which is pretty much how thing are in the SF Bay Area. I'm not a member of any party... but the SF Bay Area is not representative of California as a State.

Yeah, a real sick travesty what has happened to the Bay Area. What was is gone, destroyed in such a short time. A big lessen for others being over run by those fleeing. HS

 

[ultrarunner]

In thinking about it a little more many of those friends that had moved to Texas and other places did feel out of sink plus were looking to cash out equity mostly in retirement.... some leave because their kids left...

The popular destinations are Oregon, Nevada, Arizona and Texas...

 

[dickfoster]

If you premiss is their moving to a better place, explain Californians and California business leaving. Your State has been bleeding population now for a decade. Most of Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, and Montana are full of California refugees. Many in those States wished they'd stayed, voicing you destroyed your State please don't destroy ours with your California politics, you destroyed your home, you should have to stay and live it rather then move and destroy another place. The difference between haves and have nots is ugly. You are simple wrong in your assessment of the current situation you are living in the 1950's, your age explains your misconception. You are right Texas is full of California refugees, and many from other States too, most thirst for freedom. HS

What they lose in productive tax paying workers they more than make up for in illegal aliens and welfare recipients looking for a handout. :laughing:

 

[houstonscott]

9, Companies Left California Since 28 How long can this go on before it collapse there.

You can give a man a million dollars but it won’t make him rich.


HS

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Sounds like all you know is dis-satisfied former Californians exploring moving to Texas. What you say is probably true of them. You must meet these types often. I literally have never in 70 years ever met anyone who would rather move to Texas. With 40 million people here your stereotypes are a very small proportion. I'm happy to see them go, let them take their dis-satisfaction to Texas where they might like it better.

As for Californians thinking many Americans wish they lived in California , well this is what we hear all the time, here. Because over 50% of California's population at any time in the last 166 years was born elsewhere and came here by intentional choice. Like your boasting about Texas, these new arrivals have a lot to say about why they made this decision.

Whatever, we're all Americans. Live and let live.

I pretty much agree, I am not a huge fan of Texas, worked all over the state, never quite got the feel of it. NCA, is probably the most beautiful area of the country. Yep, lot's of people, lots of government, lot's of taxes....and way too many restrictions on life.

 

[ultrarunner]

If California goes down it will take many with it and reverberate around the world... last I heard the California economy is the 6th largest in world rankings... it also leads in Patents and Research...

It almost sounds like people are rooting for a California collapse of epic proportions?

Also, California is a Donor state in that the Feds receive far more in revenue than is returned...

 

[California]

Look at who he quotes - Breitbart and Conservative Review. Both are focused on stirring up divisive politics. We know California isn't going to crash, somebody just made that up to herd readers toward reading the ads that support those sites.

Plus maybe their objective is promote the gloom and doom that Trump says only he can save us from. Nonsense, ignore that, the California economy is stable.

If somebody wants to quote real economic statistics I think they will find California has better statistics than the US as a whole. In fact because we are so large we pull the overall US statics up! Your Donor State note illustrates this.

 

[houstonscott]

Look at who he quotes - Breitbart and Conservative Review. Both are focused on stirring up divisive politics. We know California isn't going to crash, somebody just made that up to herd readers toward reading the ads that support those sites. Plus maybe their objective is promote the gloom and doom that Trump says only he can save us from. Nonsense, ignore that, the California economy is stable. If somebody wants to quote real economic statistics I think they will find California has better statistics than the US as a whole. In fact because we are so large we pull the overall US statics up! Your Donor State note illustrates this.

Somebody's not going to get paid, there is simply not enough money. The only question is... Who? HS

 

[ultrarunner]

The reports of the imminent demise of California have been exaggerated... borrowing from Samuel Clemens...

Back in the 70's a very popular book was the Late Great State of California... then again many said there would be no Social Security for those retiring in the 1990's...

I'm not defending California... only pointing out the folly of outlandish claims that only serve to suck people in...

The Donor State is the perfect rebuttal to such statements...

I do see a lot of Californians cashing out their windfalls and taking that money to other States... know a few that simply cash out without reinvesting... which I think is foolish because money is only worth what it can be exchanged for and sitting in a CD is not an investment.

California dollars for better or worse are a driving force in neighboring states... especially Oregon, Nevada and Arizona... with Texas and Washington not far behind.

 

[downsizingnow48]

Amazingly hard to have a data-grounded conversation on economy here on TBN. Folks give more thought to changing fuel filters than to the leading issues of the day.

 

[downsizingnow48]

National and state jobs data referenced earlier make it clear that the two coasts provide most the growth for the country as a whole with the Texas gulf coast contributing. It has been that way for a long time. Hard to reconcile that with the view that California is a total mess and will implode any time now just you wait.

 

[California]

National and state jobs data referenced earlier make it clear that the two coasts provide most the growth for the country as a whole with the Texas gulf coast contributing. It has been that way for a long time. Hard to reconcile that with the view that California is a total mess and will implode any time now just you wait.

Two different worlds. Data-driven information based on scientific method, vs start with an opinion (often derogatory), then make up nonsense 'facts' to support the opinion. California mostly runs on the scientific side of the picture, that's why our economy exceeds the national average.