RobertN
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Agreed it aint perfect here, but then I look at the fiasco in Illinois, the governor, senate seats...
Besides, where would you guys be without Ca? TBN has been from Calif for a few years now
California acts to fight global warming...etc.
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Agreed it aint perfect here, but then I look at the fiasco in Illinois, the governor, senate seats...
Besides, where would you guys be without Ca? TBN has been from Calif for a few years now
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The sad part about it
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What's sad to see is how the rest of the nation views California in general.
Never mind the fact that this Super State has developed some Super problems because of it's shear size, resources, climate, population and economic impact on the rest of the nation. It has always been attractive to people around the globe as well as the rest of the nation for numerous reasons.
How did it get like that, this skewed view?
If you take away all the immigrants, migratory workers, fortune seekers during it's brief history, all you'd have left is a few Native Americans and Mexicans. The rest all came from where? ... overseas and yes, the rest of the nation. Some might have been from your state or even your own city or town. Heck, some might be relatives ... who knows? With that in mind, these same people, faced with the same problems might make the same decisions in your state as they are making here. In reality, we are no different. Although many of the problems are similar, it's the different set of problems that create different solutions.
And yes, I understand there might be alternative solutions as well.
I must agree that I'm not happy with what's happening with our California government, but then I'm not happy with what's happening to our nation either. As a youngster I remember California being "the place" for families to move to. Ask your parents or grandparents. But it has changed a lot, especially in recent years. During times of drastic change, drastic measures are needed. It's a natural reaction to what's happening. Some of them affect me personally and I'm not happy with that. New regulations, restrictions, more laws etc. all that unnecessary BS. As I get older, I've come to realize (and slowly accept) that instead of looking out just for myself and what's best for me, it's time for me to look at the big picture and how it would affect "most" of the others. I try to look beyond my driveway nowadays. I've also tried to find a place to live here where I'm as isolated from all the BS too. I'm sure we Californians could use a helping hand from our brothers, I know our local government and court system sure could.
Sorry for the rant.
Never mind the fact that this Super State has developed some Super problems because of it's shear size, resources, climate, population and economic impact on the rest of the nation. It has always been attractive to people around the globe as well as the rest of the nation for numerous reasons.
How did it get like that, this skewed view?
If you take away all the immigrants, migratory workers, fortune seekers during it's brief history, all you'd have left is a few Native Americans and Mexicans. The rest all came from where? ... overseas and yes, the rest of the nation. Some might have been from your state or even your own city or town. Heck, some might be relatives ... who knows? With that in mind, these same people, faced with the same problems might make the same decisions in your state as they are making here. In reality, we are no different. Although many of the problems are similar, it's the different set of problems that create different solutions.
And yes, I understand there might be alternative solutions as well.
I must agree that I'm not happy with what's happening with our California government, but then I'm not happy with what's happening to our nation either. As a youngster I remember California being "the place" for families to move to. Ask your parents or grandparents. But it has changed a lot, especially in recent years. During times of drastic change, drastic measures are needed. It's a natural reaction to what's happening. Some of them affect me personally and I'm not happy with that. New regulations, restrictions, more laws etc. all that unnecessary BS. As I get older, I've come to realize (and slowly accept) that instead of looking out just for myself and what's best for me, it's time for me to look at the big picture and how it would affect "most" of the others. I try to look beyond my driveway nowadays. I've also tried to find a place to live here where I'm as isolated from all the BS too. I'm sure we Californians could use a helping hand from our brothers, I know our local government and court system sure could.
Sorry for the rant.
EddieWalker
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Rob,
Excellent points. My parents moved to California from Canada in the early 60's. Homes were affordable, jobs were plentiful and crime was very rare. We left our doors unlocked, knew all our neighbors and I walked to school by myself from the first grade, until I learned to drive. Somewhere along the line, it changed. I can't put my finger on it, but as an adult and former Marine, I know to drive past the two closest Malls to go shopping and to drive past three grocery stores to one that was safe. I know what streets not to drive down and where to avoid buying gas. This was not the big city, but it was part of the East Bay, near Oakland and across from SF. When BART was extended to the valley, problems started happening there that were unheard of. Cars were being stolen from the Mall and houses were being broken into less then a mile from the BART station. Section 8 housing doubled, tripled and quadrupled. Kids were allowed to graduate without passing grades and murders were not reported on the news unless its was a big shootout, or it kept happening at the same place. They are so common that most crime is ignored except for the more sensational crimes.
All this is true in different parts of the country and worse in some parts of the world. I've seen bodies laying in the road with their clothes removed because somebody stole them off of the dead body. I also have lived in places where I can leave my tools in my truck, spend hours in the store and not worry about them disappearing. At some point, I had enough and decided to live in a place where the economy is good, where local government works to help business and encourage growth. A place where people are active in the schools and their kids, where the new reports just about every crime that happens, regardless of how minor it might be in other places. If a gas station gets robbed, we hear about it. We also get the description of the person or persons who do this, including their race. Something that they stopped doing there.
People are the same all over, they are mostly good and want whats best for their kids. There will always be that small percentage that don't get it and cause the problems. Unfortunately, they have a way of attracting the same to them and with large populations, those losers tend to grow in stature and popularity. In areas where they are taken to task and dealt with quickly, they disappear and move on. In areas where they are ignored, tolerated and even looked up to, they destroy the fabric of the community.
Get away from the cities and populated areas, and California is an amazing state. One of the most beautiful places in the world, and all within a days drive. To go from the coast to the mountains, from the desert to the redwoods is something that everyone should experience. It's not the state that the problem, it's those who run it and allow the bad apples to get away with their BS.
Sorry for the rant.
Eddie
Excellent points. My parents moved to California from Canada in the early 60's. Homes were affordable, jobs were plentiful and crime was very rare. We left our doors unlocked, knew all our neighbors and I walked to school by myself from the first grade, until I learned to drive. Somewhere along the line, it changed. I can't put my finger on it, but as an adult and former Marine, I know to drive past the two closest Malls to go shopping and to drive past three grocery stores to one that was safe. I know what streets not to drive down and where to avoid buying gas. This was not the big city, but it was part of the East Bay, near Oakland and across from SF. When BART was extended to the valley, problems started happening there that were unheard of. Cars were being stolen from the Mall and houses were being broken into less then a mile from the BART station. Section 8 housing doubled, tripled and quadrupled. Kids were allowed to graduate without passing grades and murders were not reported on the news unless its was a big shootout, or it kept happening at the same place. They are so common that most crime is ignored except for the more sensational crimes.
All this is true in different parts of the country and worse in some parts of the world. I've seen bodies laying in the road with their clothes removed because somebody stole them off of the dead body. I also have lived in places where I can leave my tools in my truck, spend hours in the store and not worry about them disappearing. At some point, I had enough and decided to live in a place where the economy is good, where local government works to help business and encourage growth. A place where people are active in the schools and their kids, where the new reports just about every crime that happens, regardless of how minor it might be in other places. If a gas station gets robbed, we hear about it. We also get the description of the person or persons who do this, including their race. Something that they stopped doing there.
People are the same all over, they are mostly good and want whats best for their kids. There will always be that small percentage that don't get it and cause the problems. Unfortunately, they have a way of attracting the same to them and with large populations, those losers tend to grow in stature and popularity. In areas where they are taken to task and dealt with quickly, they disappear and move on. In areas where they are ignored, tolerated and even looked up to, they destroy the fabric of the community.
Get away from the cities and populated areas, and California is an amazing state. One of the most beautiful places in the world, and all within a days drive. To go from the coast to the mountains, from the desert to the redwoods is something that everyone should experience. It's not the state that the problem, it's those who run it and allow the bad apples to get away with their BS.
Sorry for the rant.
Eddie
