hi everyone. i have 22 hours on my new bx2200. i am looking forward to the toys. i have researched this forum and decided on the herd 96. i called the company and they would not recommend it. they said it would not work on bx2200 and recommended a smaller electric unit. it looks like several of you have the 96, whatsup with herd? thank you <font color="orange"> </font>
Seeders bx2200 seeder hurd 96 problem or question
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thcri
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I would like to know what Herd's reasoning was. I know others here have bought the M96 for the BX series tractors and from I understand they worked fine. I know you will have to cut the PTO shaft off some, unless it really gets to be too short and doesn't allow you room for movement??? Just not sure.
I will be watching this thread.
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I will be watching this thread.
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Sounds like a good reason to buy a quick hitch,,,that will move it back a few inches.
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It fits fine and works great. The only thing, and this is most likely why they said not to use it, is I had to remove the Shield for Tumbling Shaft, # 28 on this link web page . If you lower the seeder the shield hits the PTO. Guess the liability they would take on by knowing the shield had to be removed would cause a problem. Since I am on the tractor and always shut off the PTO when getting off, I did not think it was a problem. I had to cut the PTO shaft, but that is true for anything you use on the BX.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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I don't have a BX2200, but I do have the JD 2210 with I-Match. When I purchased my tractor a few weeks ago, I also purchased the Herd M96 and had it installed by my dealer. The M96 could not be installed using my I-Match. It had to be installed on the 3pt hitch. They did have to cut the M96 PTO shaft. The M96 works fine and I have no problems raising and lowering the unit.
Herd does provide a "CAUTION" regarding the M96 power take-off shaft in mounting the unit to your 3pt hitch as follows: You need to make sure that the PTO shaft is not to long before raising the seeder up with the 3pt hitch. If it is to long it will bottom out and cause damage to the driven shaft, gears and/or main casting. If the PTO shaft is to long you will need to cut equal amounts off of both ends of the PTO shaft before attaching the upper center link arm to the seeder and raising the seeder up with the 3pt hitch.
It appears that the successful installation and operation of the M96 primarily rests with the proper sizing of the PTO shaft, and if sized correctly, should work fine on most any 3pt hitch setups. I had my dealer do mine because quite frankly I have never cut a PTO shaft and didn't want to mess it up.
Herd does provide a "CAUTION" regarding the M96 power take-off shaft in mounting the unit to your 3pt hitch as follows: You need to make sure that the PTO shaft is not to long before raising the seeder up with the 3pt hitch. If it is to long it will bottom out and cause damage to the driven shaft, gears and/or main casting. If the PTO shaft is to long you will need to cut equal amounts off of both ends of the PTO shaft before attaching the upper center link arm to the seeder and raising the seeder up with the 3pt hitch.
It appears that the successful installation and operation of the M96 primarily rests with the proper sizing of the PTO shaft, and if sized correctly, should work fine on most any 3pt hitch setups. I had my dealer do mine because quite frankly I have never cut a PTO shaft and didn't want to mess it up.
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Well, hmmmmmm, I have been using my Heard M96 on my BX2200 /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Works fine. You do have to cut the PTO shaft rather short but the one I cut for my 2410 is only slightly longer. When using the spreader on the BX you must be careful not to raise it full up (no need to) because the top link will hit the metal cross brace cover on the back. If you let the spreader sit real low--have the arms full down it could put a bind on the shaft, same with my 2410. I set the spreader on and raise the lift so that the arms are about level or down slightly and use the top link to tilt the spreader back a touch. Works fine. I have been using mine for several years now. No problem. I have posted pics in previous threads. If you search them out you will see the M96 is a perfect fit on the BX. The electric one----they are kidding huh??? J
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Cutting the shaft is no big deal and yes there is a cover held on by two screws than can rub on the tumble joint if you lower the spreader full down and tilt it backwards--why would anyone want to do that? I took that stupid shield off and threw it in the garbage--not because I could not get it to work with the BX--it did--but because I cannot tighten the shaft lock screw to the spreader drive shaft and mine came loose. I took it off--threw it away and now I can check that little lock nut, grease it and all that. I think I gave someone the proper shaft dimensions somewhere in another thread on this. With the shaft properly cut the shaft works great and is not the limiting factor--the BX cross brace at full up is the limiting factor and at that point the spreader is way to high to use anyway. If the shaft is left to long it can damage the spreader if you raise it way up because the shaft will fully collapse and bind the spreader---no different here on my 2410--- but don't leave it to long simple enough. Cut the shaft with a hacksaw. Piece of cake. J
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I have the Herd M96...bought it for my former BX-2200 and now use it with my BX-22. No problems.
Yes, you do need to trim the shaft, but that's not unusual in the implement world as every tractor is a little different. When I mount mine, I lay the unit down behind the tractor and deal with the lower arms first. Once that's accomplished I lift it up with one hand, slipping the PTO shaft together in the process. Once it's upright, I fasten the top link and fill up the hopper. Removal is just the reverse. Piece 'O Cake.
This unit was recommended by my tractor dealer as a good solution for the BX and I still consider it a good decision. I would not consider an electric unit on a tractor with a PTO if I had any option in the matter!!!
I find it interesting that the manufacturer is discouraging you from this product. After all, it will work with a type 0 3-pt...which is a really small tractor situation, indeed!
Yes, you do need to trim the shaft, but that's not unusual in the implement world as every tractor is a little different. When I mount mine, I lay the unit down behind the tractor and deal with the lower arms first. Once that's accomplished I lift it up with one hand, slipping the PTO shaft together in the process. Once it's upright, I fasten the top link and fill up the hopper. Removal is just the reverse. Piece 'O Cake.
This unit was recommended by my tractor dealer as a good solution for the BX and I still consider it a good decision. I would not consider an electric unit on a tractor with a PTO if I had any option in the matter!!!
I find it interesting that the manufacturer is discouraging you from this product. After all, it will work with a type 0 3-pt...which is a really small tractor situation, indeed!
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"I have the Herd M96...bought it for my former BX-2200 and now use it with my BX-22. No problems. "
I think the problem in Heards mistaken recommendation is that they have seen pictures of a BX but they have never actually seen one up close or bothered to learn that it ain't exactly a Sears riding mower sized machine. When I first got on this TBN site the BX was dismissed pretty much universely as a big riding mower by people who had never seen one or used one. They were mistaken as is evidenced by the huge numbers of satisfied BX owners who do a lot more than mow grass. J
I think the problem in Heards mistaken recommendation is that they have seen pictures of a BX but they have never actually seen one up close or bothered to learn that it ain't exactly a Sears riding mower sized machine. When I first got on this TBN site the BX was dismissed pretty much universely as a big riding mower by people who had never seen one or used one. They were mistaken as is evidenced by the huge numbers of satisfied BX owners who do a lot more than mow grass. J
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[quoteThey were mistaken as is evidenced by the huge numbers of satisfied BX owners who do a lot more than mow grass.)</font>
LOL! Ain't that the truth! Mowing is only about 20% of how SWMBO and I use the BX around our property. I suspect that the FEL is about 80% of the remainder...
LOL! Ain't that the truth! Mowing is only about 20% of how SWMBO and I use the BX around our property. I suspect that the FEL is about 80% of the remainder...
TresCrows,
Actually talking to Herd about it they suggested the M96 or the larger unit. HOWEVER they did say that if you wanted to spread the powdered fertilizers (Scotts, etc.) the electric units were recommended. Could be miscommunication /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
It could happen,
Michael
Actually talking to Herd about it they suggested the M96 or the larger unit. HOWEVER they did say that if you wanted to spread the powdered fertilizers (Scotts, etc.) the electric units were recommended. Could be miscommunication /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
It could happen,
Michael
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Tres,
I would go along with Herd about the Scott's Fertilizers. The spread pattern gets down to about 5 feet and if there is a breeze you don't know where it is going to go. I won't use the Scott's Brand or similiar under any circumstances. My neighbors use that stuff and they have lighter grass and more weeds than I do. I just use plain old fertilizer from a Farm Coop and spread it 4 times per year. The grass pretty much has choked out my weeds.
I am though looking into Organic if I can find some one that sells it in the Minnesota area other than Ace and Home Depot.
Murph
I would go along with Herd about the Scott's Fertilizers. The spread pattern gets down to about 5 feet and if there is a breeze you don't know where it is going to go. I won't use the Scott's Brand or similiar under any circumstances. My neighbors use that stuff and they have lighter grass and more weeds than I do. I just use plain old fertilizer from a Farm Coop and spread it 4 times per year. The grass pretty much has choked out my weeds.
I am though looking into Organic if I can find some one that sells it in the Minnesota area other than Ace and Home Depot.
Murph
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Yes, powders are a "no-no" with the M96. I use pelletized lime along with the organic fertilizer and corn gluten meal (for weed control) from Agway on our lawn each year. We just don't do chemicals here unless forced to for a very specific problem. (Poison Ivy, for example, as my wife is extraordinarily sensitive to it)
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"Tres,
I would go along with Herd about the Scott's Fertilizers. The spread pattern gets down to about 5 feet and if there is a breeze you don't know where it is going to go. I won't use the "Scott's Brand or similiar under any circumstances. My neighbors use that stuff and they have lighter grass and more weeds than I do. I just use plain old fertilizer from a Farm Coop and spread it 4 times per year. The grass pretty much has choked out my weeds."
Thanks Murph, I guess I missed the part in this thread about Scotts. I don't use that overpriced junk anyway. I go to the co-op and get my fertilizer. I also buy lime etc in the pellatized form. If I need to spray for weeds I will buy a chemical sprayer unit. That powdered high dollar fetilizer is way to expensive for me to use. Maybe if I had a little city lot but not here. He is buying a real tractor so it is time he spreads real fertilizer from the co-op and not the over priced bla-bla stuff from Hope Despot.
Thanks for the correction--no--the Heard M96 will not spread powdered materials. You can mix some fine grain materials like Diazonon in with fertilizer and spread it that way with good success. Oh, a M96 and a chemical unit with a boom in the 50 gallon size on a 3-point with a PTO pump would be an awesome set up on a small tractor such as a BX and small B series. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif J
I would go along with Herd about the Scott's Fertilizers. The spread pattern gets down to about 5 feet and if there is a breeze you don't know where it is going to go. I won't use the "Scott's Brand or similiar under any circumstances. My neighbors use that stuff and they have lighter grass and more weeds than I do. I just use plain old fertilizer from a Farm Coop and spread it 4 times per year. The grass pretty much has choked out my weeds."
Thanks Murph, I guess I missed the part in this thread about Scotts. I don't use that overpriced junk anyway. I go to the co-op and get my fertilizer. I also buy lime etc in the pellatized form. If I need to spray for weeds I will buy a chemical sprayer unit. That powdered high dollar fetilizer is way to expensive for me to use. Maybe if I had a little city lot but not here. He is buying a real tractor so it is time he spreads real fertilizer from the co-op and not the over priced bla-bla stuff from Hope Despot.
Thanks for the correction--no--the Heard M96 will not spread powdered materials. You can mix some fine grain materials like Diazonon in with fertilizer and spread it that way with good success. Oh, a M96 and a chemical unit with a boom in the 50 gallon size on a 3-point with a PTO pump would be an awesome set up on a small tractor such as a BX and small B series. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif J
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You can mix some fine grain materials like Diazonon in with fertilizer and spread it that way with good success. )</font>
Yes, I added a little Milky Spore for grub control to the "mixture" when I spread this spring. The coarser material helped keep it going where it was supposed to go, rather than completely blowing away in the wind.
Yes, I added a little Milky Spore for grub control to the "mixture" when I spread this spring. The coarser material helped keep it going where it was supposed to go, rather than completely blowing away in the wind.
thcri
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jbecker,
I wished there was an Agway dealer in our area. Do you have the web address of the dealer you buy from? I think you posted in another post your cost and it was much cheaper than what I found around here.
murph
I wished there was an Agway dealer in our area. Do you have the web address of the dealer you buy from? I think you posted in another post your cost and it was much cheaper than what I found around here.
murph
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wished there was an Agway dealer in our area. Do you have the web address of the dealer you buy from? I think you posted in another post your cost and it was much cheaper than what I found around here.)</font>
Unfortunatley, Agway doesn't sell over the web and I believe all the retail stores are franchies. Their web address is http://agway.com, however, and there is a retail locator in the left menu. You should be able to source similar materials at and "farm store". "Who" that might be will vary depending on where you are...check your yellow pages for farm supplies.
Unfortunatley, Agway doesn't sell over the web and I believe all the retail stores are franchies. Their web address is http://agway.com, however, and there is a retail locator in the left menu. You should be able to source similar materials at and "farm store". "Who" that might be will vary depending on where you are...check your yellow pages for farm supplies.
