BX 2230 vs BX 23

Volfandt · Mar 8, 2005

When I was shopping for the BX2230, one of the Kubota dealers configured a Woods FEL inplace of the Kubota OEM. This made his quote lower than the quote I had from the other Kubota dealer who quoted an OEM FEL. When I saw this on the quote sheet I had him refigure to OEM as that was what I wanted to stay with (as well as compareing apples to apples) and the price went up approx $200. He said they could get the Woods eqt cheaper and that they were just about identical in specs. I was also looking at B7510's and he priced me out the Woods FEL & BH options for it also. Said they liked the Woods eqt not to mention they must get a better margin on them. Warranty wasn't an issue as they said that THEY would honor all warranty claims on what they sold.
They also sold/serviced MF's too and I'd say they config'ed Woods on them also.
Soon after I went for the BX23 as it met my OEM requirement as well as pricing out better in the big picture.
I don't have any problem w/Woods eqt but in my case, I required OEM and worked the pricing to that end.

Question, can the BX2230 w/the Woods BH mounted also have the MMM mounted & operational?

Volfandt

NY_Yankees_Fan · Mar 8, 2005

Matt,

Thanks for the info it was very helpful. If I ever want to add a backhoe it is something to consider since my BX is now out of warranty. I am sure this thread has also helped others thinking of going to the BX23 and gives them options to think about. Can not wait to see the pictures. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

DIVE505 · Mar 8, 2005

Just a quick note I ordered the cruise control for my new bx23 it was $80.00 extra

DannyD · Mar 8, 2005

Junkman,

Is there an issue with the woods subframe and the MMM or the other front or mid attachments, I seem to remember this being one issue from back a year or so.

My dealer also told me that the woods bh could bend the frame on the 2230 or 2200. Not sure why or how, but then I went for the oem stuff anyway.

Scrounger · Mar 8, 2005

I thought the cruise was standard just like on the BX2230.

Scrounger · Mar 8, 2005

Yes, just like the Kubota install you can mount and run the MMM while the hoe and loader are installed.

Henro · Mar 8, 2005

I think all said and done, you can buy the 2230 with Woods gear for a few grand less than the BX23.


First I don't have any real interest in the subject, since I have a backhoe on my larger Kubota and don't need one on the BX.

But somehow I don't think the price would be much different. I am pretty sure you can get a BX23 without MMM around here for something like 15K to 15.3K.

A few grand less would drop that to 12K or a bit more.

Scrounger, not yours specifically, but in general, where you are located, what would a BX2230 with a Woods loader an backhoe on it go for?

My impression has been, and it could be totally wrong, is that the BX2230 (or my BX2200) would end up costing more, not less than a BX22/23 if I elected to add the Woods loader and backhoe to it after the fact... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Scrounger · Mar 8, 2005

Its going to vary but when I priced it all out with the Woods FEL BH and a Kubota MMM on the 2230, I was about $1500 less than the BX23. It will be different for everyone but I think the margins on the Woods gear is better than the Kubota products. Since even the dealers being charged differently, its a crap shoot on what you will get.

Junkman · Mar 8, 2005

( Junkman,

Is there an issue with the woods subframe and the MMM or the other front or mid attachments, I seem to remember this being one issue from back a year or so.)

I remember hearing about it being questioned, but in the end, I believe that it turned out to be just a rumor and the MMM will work the same as on the BX22/23

( My dealer also told me that the woods bh could bend the frame on the 2230 or 2200. Not sure why or how, but then I went for the oem stuff anyway. )

I believe that your dealer was just trying to make a sale. If the Woods BH could damage the frame of a BX, then they wouldn't have released it for sale. I don't believe that a company as large as Woods would consider releasing any product that wasn't fully tested to do what it is supposed to be able to do. I have never questioned the quality of their products, but I have been known to question why they are usually more expensive than the competition for similar product. Possibly it is there quality that is different ?????

PondFish · Mar 8, 2005

Thanks for all the info guys. This has been the best resource by far. I made a few more phone calls to other dealers in the Northern VA area, I've got a quote of $17,000 for a BX23 w/ 60" MMM. I mentioned I wanted to upgrade the alternator and get the blockheater...
I crack up when the salemen try to steer you one way or the other. "You don't need a block heater". For $35 I don't think I'm going to blink at that when you consider he whole package price.
I believe the guy may have wanted to move his last 2230s. He did admit he'd only started at the dealershipabout 6 weeks. It sounded like he was a displaced farmer - a casualty of urban sprawl.
I've decided on the BX23 and I've floated it past the wife review board a couple of times. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm building up my case/justification...
I would feel bad to yank a deal from my local dealer and go with one a little farther out but the cost will drive alot of it.

Thanks again for all the feedback.

Junkman · Mar 8, 2005

When you get the final figures, give the local dealer a shot at matching it. If he can still see a profit, then he might just take the deal. If he is pig headed like so many of the dealers, he will loose out. That tractor cost the dealer about $12500 without the MMM. The MMM cost the dealer about $1350. With the total package costing about $13850, plus freight, you will have a good idea of how much his gross profit is. Remember that he still has to pay for set up, etc. He is entitled to a profit, but he shouldn't want to be getting rich on one sale. If the difference in price is small, then I would go with the closer dealer if you think that he will give you good service. Also keep in mind that he only sells a small amount of tractors a year as compared to car dealers, so his profit margins have to be more. You want a price that both of you can live with... Junk....

PondFish · Mar 9, 2005

I eventually plan on getting a front blade or snow blower. Is there anything special I need to be aware of here? Whats this I've seen about 3 vs 4 valves and were they are located? Was that a issues with the BX22 only? The Bx23 has 4 vlaves on the joystick right?

Thanks

Junkman · Mar 9, 2005

It isn't the number of valves on the joy stick, it is how the valve is made. Too complicated for me to explain it, but you can do a search and learn all about the valves. There is a little confusion about the BX23 coming with a 4 way valve as standard equipment. I would check with the dealer to make sure that it is the 4 way valve. You need this to operate the snowblower. Most BX22's came with the 4 way valve unless the tractors was sold on a price competition basis. Then the dealers would keep all options off to lower the price. The snow blower will cost you about $2500.... a blade will be about $1500 from what I remember. Part of the price of each is the cost of the mounting hardware. Same hardware for both, but the blower takes an additional PTO kit. If you are financing the tractor, then it is better to put all the options on when you order it for the best deal price..

PondFish · Mar 10, 2005

Just a quick note I ordered the cruise control for my new bx23 it was $80.00 extra 


I just spoke to 2 different dealers and both say cruise is not an option on the BX23. I don't think it'll be a big issue. I'm curious though, was this an aftermarket thing or what?

LBrown59 · Mar 10, 2005

1*I was also looking at a used BX 23
2*I was told the BX 23 didn't come from the factory with the mid mount PTO so dropping a mower deck below it would take some reconfiguring it.
3*I was told it could be done but it didn't come from the factor that way.
4*I'm wondering if it would be better to stick with the BX 2230 then add on the backhoe or try for the BX 23 and and see about putting a deck under it.
5*Does anyone here have a BX 23 and also use the mid mount mowing deck?
PondFish
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1*If you are considering used check this out .http://classifieds.tractorbynet.com/ViewItem.php?ItemNum=680081448
It's as nice as The BX23.
2*You were told wrong.
3*Who is handing you all this crap?
4*First problem here is the BX 2230 isn't designed for a BH.That's why there is the BX23.
Why bollix up a Bx 2330 with an off breed BH at a cost of 800 to 2300 bucks more than the BX23 when you can get the real deal for hundreds or thousands less by going with the BX23?
As far as the mower issue there is no difference on that issue between the BX2230 and the BX 23.
If it was safe to put a BH on the BX 2230 wouldn't Kubota be making and selling them for the BX2230 instead of letting Woods Have their Business ?????
5*I don't know who's filling your head with all the nonsense, but so far it' looks like they've done a pretty fair job of it.LOL
The BX 23 was specifically designed to be able to use the mower to mow without removing the FEL or the BH.
I have never removed the FEL BH or mid mount mower on my BX23 Yet have used each one of them many times over.

jpr62902 · Mar 10, 2005

Interesting comment about being designed to mow with the BH and FEL attached. Ya might wanna check your mower height. I know that on my BX22, the BH prevents the rockshafts (and therefore the mower deck) from fully descending, so you're cutting higher than 4" (if at all).

LBrown59 · Mar 10, 2005

( Pond,

1*The 60" MMM deck is made to fit the BX23, it is an option, about $1800 BUT will fit and work fine.
The BX23 DOES come with a mid PTO standard.
2** I would visit another Kubota dealer who knows what they are talking about. 1**********

Search BX22 or BX23 and you will find much info on this topic. )
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1*Mine was $1300
2*I agree that some body has fed the poster a bunch of garbage

LBrown59 · Mar 10, 2005

I was quoted a price of $13,500 w/o tax) for a new 2230, 60" deck and LA211 FEL.
PondFish
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That's pretty steep considering My BX 23 was $15500 with the BH or $11800 with out figuring in the BH.

Had I gone with the Bx 2230 and the Woods BH I would have shelled out $16300 to $17800 instead of only $15500.

If you're thinking BH forget the BX 2230 cause there is no cheeper way to get a tractor with a BH than going with either The Kuboth Bx23 or the Massey Ferguson CG 2310.

LBrown59 · Mar 10, 2005

( Thanks -
1*He may just be trying to move his old inventory. He didn't actually have a BX 23 to show.
2*So the only real difference between the 23 and the 2230 is the 23 comes with the FEL and BH as standard ?
)

1*That's what I have been thinking.
2*That and the fact that the BX23 is beefed up to handle a BH but the Bx2230 is not.!

LBrown59 · Mar 10, 2005

( Pond,

The BX23 has has about 300 lbs more weight because of the extra steel on the frame for the backhoe. Other then that they are the same tractor. Now what would happen from a warrenty point of view if you bend the frame on the BX2230 with a Wood hoe? What will Kubota say and will they pay to fix it??? 1*These are questions you need to ask and consider.

Happy reading /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

1* ESPECIALLY WHEN The BX 2230 with a woods hoe cost more than a BX23 with the Kubota BH.