Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2

   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #82  
Seems like an open/shut negligent homicide = manslaughter case. Textbook, almost.
 
   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #83  
Everyone connected to that machine leaving home on a truck, unsecured should be in adjoining cells. Not just the fool driving the truck.
 
   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #84  
Everyone connected to that machine leaving home on a truck, unsecured should be in adjoining cells. Not just the fool driving the truck.

The driver bares the sole responsibility to make sure the load is safe for the road.
 
   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #85  
Everyone connected to that machine leaving home on a truck, unsecured should be in adjoining cells. Not just the fool driving the truck.
No, that's why you hire professional with the proper insurance, knowledge(experience) and equipment so you are not liable. If not what the point?
 
   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #86  
No, that's why you hire professional with the proper insurance, knowledge(experience) and equipment so you are not liable. If not what the point?

All parties involved very well might end up sued especially the truck owner if it’s different from the driver but as far as criminal prosecution the driver is solely responsible.
 
   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #87  
I've posted about this before but I think it repeating is is a good idea. Years ago I needed to move a lathe that weighed about 5000 pounds. The flatbed truck I rented had a bed about 4 feet above the ground. The guy I bought the lathe from placed it on the truck and I chained it down. I drove a few miles and checked it. Then, after I was on the freeway and had traveled a few more miles I pulled over in a safe place and checked to make sure all the chains were still tight and that the load had not shifted. This was the biggest and heaviest load I had ever moved. Anyway, a Washington State Patrol Officer pulled in behind me as I was checking the binders and chains and asked why I was parked. I explained to him that I was checking to make sure the load was properly secured. He helped me check and found nothing amiss and then thanked me for making sure the load was secured. I was happy to have a second opinion. Just the thought of having that lathe coming off and hurting or killing someone is terrible. I wish more people would make sure that their actions aren't gonna hurt someone,, especially when it only takes maybe 10minutes to make sure.
Eric
 
   / Bulldozer comes off of trailer, kills 2 #88  
All parties involved very well might end up sued especially the truck owner if it’s different from the driver but as far as criminal prosecution the driver is solely responsible.
The company owner yes he has a part in this, whether he likes it or not, that's just how it works, compagnies are responsible for their employee negligence regardless how wrong the employee is and regardless how well the company cover itself with Standard operation procedure and training ... but not the dozer owner he has nothing to do with it... from the original post I wasn't sure which he was referring to.
 
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The company owner yes he has a part in this, whether he likes it or not, that's just how it works, compagnies are responsible for their employee negligence regardless how wrong the employee is and regardless how well the company cover itself with Standard operation procedure and training ... but not the dozer owner he has nothing to do with it... from the original post I wasn't sure which he was referring to.
Too often the owner is the reason for unsafe practices in the first place; whether it's failure to supply adequate tiedowns, or expecting their employees to run overloaded.
 
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Too often the owner is the reason for unsafe practices in the first place; whether it's failure to supply adequate tiedowns, or expecting their employees to run overloaded.
Perhaps/probably but my point is even if this is not the case, lets say the owner do everything and beyond with all the documentation, discipline, inspection and records to prove it he will still have his share of the blame. We had a incident at our mine, the worker didn't follow the Standard operation procedure and his training, everything was documented, the supervisor and the mine got fined because ''they let it happened'' basically the only way would be to have 100% supervision and no accident... So I ask what is the point of all these SOP's if they don't protect the company? the answer was basically they are the difference between a fine and prison was the answer I got.
 

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