Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days

   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,861  
One issue with lowering the electrical boxes is that the outside wire insulation may not end up being inside the box if the wiring is fed from above or from a higher hole from side.

Why these guys leave the job knowing it's not right is very telling. A GC who doesn't accept stuff like that gets a rep and the subs generally know better.
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,862  
I'm afraid at this point, I would be shouting, cussing, and calling the GC's mother all kinds of names. Those cabinets look like they came from Home Depot. I am SO SORRY that you're having to go through this, Peter. It's just not right....

mkane09
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,863  
It is a shame. I think some of the subs really don't know what quality is, and no one is teaching them either.

The problems in the kitchen cabinetry began with a lack of coordination between framing plans and kitchen planning. Can't blame the subs for that, but you can guess what the relationship is between the subs who did the cabinets and the GC/supervisor when you aren't in earshot: "Get'em hung quick and move on to the next one, if I want you to think on the job, I'll let you know."

Consequently, they have very few people working for them that are true craftsmen.

How this company could ever have built any sort of good reputation is a wonder.
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,864  
I'll take some measurements tomorrow Stu. My outlets are 7" up from my counters and 11" down from the upper cabinets (to the center of the wall plate).

My wife made me delete what I wanted to say.:(
However, the left upper cabinet should not stick out beyond the lower penisula corner as it does now. Upper cabinet ends need to be flush with the lower cabinet ends. The countertop normally extends a bit beyond both. None of your upper cabinets appear to line up properly with the doors of the lower ones, at least in the pictures.
I would suggest you move the left upper cabinet in toward the window so the edge of it lines up with the present plasterboard drop box. Then order a filler piece to go between the upper cabinet to the right of the sink and the upper corner cabinet, so the space on either side of the window is the same.
Add the 45 to the box for sure but before you do take some serious measurements. I agree the face of the cabinets should be out even with the PB box.
You might be able to accomplish this by adding a maple filler frame behind the upper cabinets to bring them out flush.
Just be sure that doing that would not push the upper cabinets on the refer wall too far to the right.
Marsh Cabinet company can mill you any thickness you need and make the frames.
I would email them the pictures of your problems and have a phone conference call with them and the builder before proceeding any further.
I don't know if your mom has a real interest in her kitchen but most women judge the house by its kitchen.
Ron
 
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   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,866  
Peter,
A few more things to not assume correct, and check yourself with a level and tape.

1. Are the upper cabinets plum ? The walls may not be.
2. Is the space for your big refrigerator wide enough?
3. Is the space for the dishwasher the correct width?
Most dishwasher front doors stick out beyond the front of the cabinets a little but are still under the countertop lip.
4. Will your door under the the sink be able to open since it is full width and totally covers the cabinet face frame? It may be stopped
by the dishwasher. It all depends on the hinges, but you can test the one under the sink to see.
5. Are the base cabinets level in both directions? We discussed this before. If your top is real granite it may not have a no drip edge with
a built up overhang to hide any leveling shims. You can't fry eggs in an unlevel skillet very well, along with a lot of other foods.
Ron
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,867  
Wow Pete...that cabinet installation is pure crap in my opinion. Even the turd who built our house did a better job of installing cabinets, and I cuss the work he did.

I assume you're putting on door and drawer pulls, so make sure they use templates to get the holes accurately located.

Cabinets are in. I must say I'm not particularly thrilled with the quality of the cabinets, nor the quality of the install. The quality of my Ikea cabinets at one third the price are nicer than these IMHO.

Those upper cabinets flanking the windows should have been a few inches wider.

Since modular cabinets are constructed in increments of 3", there may not be a wider cabinet. It looks like the cabinet to the right could have been 3" wider, and the one left of the window moved in to line up vertically with the base cabinet.

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And the framing is off here. Originally there was not to be a cabinet here. That was changed after the drywall was already done

That looks like absolute crap.

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They should have framed a 45 here. Also, the framing should have been a good inch further in to be flush with the cabinets.

That goes beyond being absolute crap. Actually having the soffit overhang the cabinets a bit is a good thing to allow for the uncertainties of cabinet manufacturing and more importantly the joys of sloppy framing wood and work. When I redid my Mom's kitchen, I think I had a 2" - 3" overhang, and then I put 1/4-round molding at the cabinet/soffit interface to cover up any gaps and the like.

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You can barely see the receptacles and switches being so high. You have to literally bent down to see them when you are standing at the counter top.

Oh good grief, that makes the receptacles and switches difficult to reach, and from the looks of them there is no way the trim plates would fit without surgery, which will make them look even crappier. I sure hope the electrician fed the receptacles from the bottom so they can be lowered easier; but I'll bet the first receptacle is fed from either the top or the bottom, and the downstream ones are fed with wire running horizontally through the stud bays. That is going to be a royal pain to fix and still meet code.

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Just don't know about the construction of the base cabinets

Before the counter top and sink get installed, I'd get those tip out drawer kits to turn those false drawer fronts on the sink base cabinet into useful space. I have them in the kitchen and laundry galley and they are great for storing small items like sponges, small brushes, and the like. You can install them later; but it's a royal PITA to do that while lying on your back. Don't ask me how I know. Otherwise that looks to be standard fare for base cabinet construction.

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Hopefully the drawers can be adjusted to correct

I hope so too as that is complete garbage.

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Closeup of hinge. No where near the adjustment possibilities of my Ikea cabinets.

That looks similar to the cheap Grass brand hinges Merillat used on our cabinets. If so, the self closing spring eventually fails too as we have a few cabinets that no longer self close.

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The guy that put in the under counter vent way back when, apparently did not know the distance to the toe panel. So once they cut back the tin, if left a nice spot in the floor that needs a tile piece fitted to it.

We have a similar vent in our Master Bathroom, and our builder did the same crappy job as yours. I ended up wedging a wood spacer in ours to get it to fit the opening better.

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I just got back from meeting the builder on-site. They sat cabinets in 5 houses today, and all 5 are to be templated on Monday. Talk about taking on way too much at once!

This is what he committed to:

  • Get the out of square corrected on the peninsula so it matches the tile, which is square. Verified that using the 3 4 5 rule.
  • The outlets will all be dropped. No big deal since there will be a tile back-splash.
  • He'll add a 45 upper wall above the corner 45 cabinet
  • He'll extend the upper wall to be flush with the upper cabinet to the left of the sink
  • He assured me that all drawers and doors are fully adjustable so everything will be perfectly aligned at the end
  • Everything will get toe panels added, including the book shelf wall
  • He'll order replacement shelves and whatever to replace anything that is damaged

Be sure to ride the builder's butt on this.

The guy installing them was maybe 25 and he didn't really want to work today since it was his girlfriends birthday... Did I mention this was also the guy that did all the trim work? His helper was maybe 20 or so... It was his first week on the job. The builder goes through a lot of employees.

Wonderful, just wonderful that the builder has two greenhorns installing cabinets in the room that makes or breaks how a house looks. No doubt the 25-year old was thinking of the 4-B's (boobs, beaver, butt, booze) instead of the task at hand. Heck I'm sure the 20-year old was thinking of the 4-B's too.

try this place I got one from them a few years ago.
a lot cheaper than $300.00

DLJ Bronze Water Meter from watermeters.com

Thanks for the link. I got my 3/4" meter years ago and it was about $70 at the time as I recall.
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,868  
There are a couple of reasons for having the exterior electrical boxes to the outside of the house vs. recessed into the wall, that wouldbe insulation and potential air/water leaks. I also prefer the clear bubble covers because of wasps, Lol.

I pulled an entry door out one time because a leak kept showing up under it, solved it after I took cover off the electrical box adjacent to the door.

Although the recessed look better, our local inspectors have required the bubble covers for about 10 years.
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,869  
Peter, as a builder and business man I have to ask, did your mom get more than one bid and did she take the lowest bid? I hate to see the kind of work they have done for her/you. It gives us all a bad rap. Good luck and stay on the GC to get everything the way it should be!
dave
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,870  
Peter:

Have you moved the appliances from your shop up to your Mom's place? I know the countertop guys will need to see the dimensions for the drop in range. Also, I don't recall seeing a rough in for the gas line to it. Did you go electric?
-Stu
 

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