Bringing the draft back ???

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So, when did you quit beating your wife? Similar idea to many of the voting record analyses I've seen. The recent medicare medication thing is a good example. The new law probably sucks, but many of those voting for it didn't see anything better they could get. MANY things voted on are like that. There are very few simple up-or-down bills allowed to go to vote; there are always addenda to consider. It's much easier to say "He voted against X!!!" than to try to explain the various components of the bill which made the decision more difficult.

Chuck
 
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Boondox,

I don't know. I find myself thinking about conservatives in much the way I just decried, but then I'll meet one I really like. I am often surprised to find that people I like don't share my political views....I mean, how can they be so wrong when they're obviously such decent people? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

My beloved sister, who is both more liberal in some ways than I, and also much better at presenting her ideas, has only one son. A more conservative soul has yet to be born.

Chuck
 
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All the more reason to vote for newcomers! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I'll run. My "no" means "no". My "yes" means "yes".
"Is" means "is". I never smoked or inhaled!
If there's something in a bill I don't like, I vote "no".

I still hate voting for Nadar, though. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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<font color="blue"> I still hate voting for Nadar, though. </font>

There's other alternatives besides Nader. I'm going to study up and figure out which one of these ones I'm going to end up voting for...

2004 Third Party Presidential Candidates

People keep telling me I'm just throwing away my vote, but I can't understand how it is considered throwing away your vote if you are voting for the person who you honestly feel is the BEST person for the job. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Where's does it say I HAVE to vote for a Democrat or a Republican?
 
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Pete ... whoa ... now I'm really confused ... you mean his mind faded AFTER he was elected? But I thought ..... oh, never mind.


I just realized something. In all the wrangling over Oct suprise, and Iran Contra, Mr Reagan was probably the only one that didn't lie. All he could come up with was... I don't remember. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
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It's a vicious cycle!
 
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<font color="blue"> The recent medicare medication thing is a good example. The new law probably sucks, but many of those voting for it didn't see anything better they could get. </font>

The new Medicare law was actually defeated, fair and square. After a debate that ran into the small hours of the next morning, a vote was called at approximately 3:00 AM. It was to be a standard 15 minute vote. Before the 15 minutes were up, nearly every member of the House had voted, and it was defeated. Many Republicans joined in with the Democrats to vote "No".

The vote was kept running, however, by the majority party of the House, as they lobbied members to change their vote. After about 2 hours, the bill was still defeated. They had tried their best to get their fellow Republicans to change their votes, but only a couple switched.

So, they started working on Democrats. One by one, they found a Democrat who they could sway to change the vote. The votes changed, and the bill edged closer to defeat.

Finally, after about 3 hours, they succeeded in getting one last Democrat to change the vote to "Yes", and the bill had enough votes to pass. Immediately, the leadership ended the vote, before any of them could change their minds back again.

How do I know? Because, I sat up and watched the entire proceeding until after 6 AM in the morning. The entire thing was broadcast live on C-Span. This is fact.

The rumors started to come in the next few days. How had they succeeded in getting 6 Democrats to change their votes? Because the leaders are in a position to grant things the minority Democrats couldn't get on their own. One strong rumor, for example, was about a Florida Congressman whose son was running for a local office. According to the rumor, the House leadership promised him that the Republican opponent would quit the race, giving the son the win, if the father changed his vote.

It was the longest vote in the hostory of the House. In all their years of leadership, the Democrats never pulled such a stunt.
 
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<font color="blue">According to the rumor... </font>


Bet that wasn't on C-Span

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Sorry, had to get in a cheap shot. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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<font color="blue"> WASHINGTON -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld yesterday said the Pentagon was not considering a return of the military draft and would ease troop shortages related to the war in Iraq and other deployments by turning over to civilians jobs now done by members of the armed forces. </font>

Maybe it's not coming back after all...
 
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WASHINGTON -- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld yesterday said the Pentagon was not considering a return of the military draft and would ease troop shortages related to the war in Iraq and other deployments by turning over to civilians jobs now done by members of the armed forces.


That'll be a good deal for Haliburton and all their subsidiaries over there, more war profiteering for the ones who pushed for the war. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue">We try very hard to keep it civil here at TBN. Please don't escalate things to attack level or this wonderful thread will be shut down by the moderators. We can agree or disagree, but we're not enemies.

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Don't worry about that !!


John Kerry and Bob Kerrey,they are 2 peas in a pod.
 
/ Bringing the draft back ??? #175  
Just something to think about.

Opposing political parties, each struggling for power. Distortion, lies and dirty deeds are considered acceptable methods of operation by the parties. Barely any respect for the other's point of view. Strong moral disagreements and religious differences. Total control by one political party over all other opposing parties is highly fought for.

This is how I see the political parties in the USA.

What I don't understand is how this system of government can be peacefully brought to a people of a nation such as Iraq.
 
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<font color="blue"> What he is not, is articulate. </font>

Those are the words I was searching for. Bush is no dummy, a little rough around the edges,and some grit in him. He does not remind me of a pampered rich child although he was raised in a wealthy family,he has probably been in a few scraps growing up. I think he has more of an edge than his father in an outward appearance.
 
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<font color="blue"> "The lies of George W Bush"</font>
Author: David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation - a liberal publication that almost always supports Democrats.

<font color="blue">"How much did you make on the war daddy". </font>
Author: William D. Hartung runs the Arms Trade Resource Center, a project of the World Policy Institute. World Policy Institute, Director is Stephen Schlesinger, formerly a U.N. official and foreign policy advisor to Governor Mario Cuomo.

Hardly unbiased sources.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( That'll be a good deal for Haliburton and all their subsidiaries over there, more war profiteering for the ones who pushed for the war. )</font>


Haliburton, Haliburton, Haliburton. Do you actually know what percentage of military contracts that go to Haliburton? To be honest I don't, but to listen to these posts and the news media you would think that Haliburton is the sole source contract of the the armed forces. I believe what they are talking about are military jobs worldwide. For example at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville Alabama where I work, it is a secure base. You have to have ID and a window decal to enter the base. Years ago the gates were manned by MP's. Then they decided that there were not enough MPs to man all the gates at Army bases across the US. They bring in civilian guards, government employees. Then 9-11 hits, bam the MP's are on the gates with the civilian guards. The are still short MPs. They activate my old Guard unit. They man the gates for 2 years until about a month ago. They have hired a contractor to man the gates at Redstone. There are many things being contracted out in the military. Many mess halls that used to have Army cooks use contractors now.
 
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This is America. Those of you who think Haliburton has such a good deal, and is being unfairly enriched by their participation in Iraq, are welcome to buy all the shares you can afford. Then, it won't be "they", it will be "you".
 
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