Branym or Tymson ?

[EuroYanmar]

Good morning,

As Tong Yang Moolsan (TYM) bought Kukje Machinery (Branson) three years ago we may suppose the new TYM 2019 series could have the DNA of their two parents.
For those who have seen these tractors online (T474 T494 and T574) it appears they strongly look like Bransons. On the streering wheel they are badged "TYM group".

My question is : does any of the members know what kind of engine they have ? Yanmar or Kukje ?

Thanks for your help.

Phil

 

[ptsg]

I'm pretty sure it's a Yanmar engine.

So far the only thing that came up since the acquisition, was a little 19 hp tractor Tym tractor that Branson rebranded to sell under their name.

Branson is coming up with some new stuff, including a UTV and again, there is nothing that can be related to Tym. They even have been updating the US site that wasn't updated in years. Branson seems stronger in Europe than in the US at the moment.

So the mystery of this acquisition is still in the air.

 

[pete-mi]

Take a closer look. They are TYM chassis not Branson. From the current models it look like a change in the hood and loader. As far as engine they have used Yanmar but being they own Branson it is possible they may switch. They should have them on display at Louisville in a couple months so then we will know for sure.

 

[EuroYanmar]

Hi,

Have a look on these two pictures please.
Do you think it is a 2019 Branson or a 2019 TYM ?
I know the answer but I will tell you after.

Phil

 

[ptsg]

These two pictures are from a prototype for the Cabbed version of the Branson F series (15 series in the US).

I shared these pictures together with a couple more in the Branson forum. However, the dash look indeed like a Tym tractor.



Taking a closer look at the pictures of the TYM tractors in the first post, looks like a Kukje engine judging by the tandem hydraulic pump setup and the exhaust. And also the front axle, although it's hard to see.

If this is the case and TYM is actually using Branson construction and engineering, this might be good news for both brands. Branson was a stronger tractor than TYM, thus making TYM users with a better product. (Not saying that was bad before!)

 

[EuroYanmar]

These two pictures are from a prototype for the Cabbed version of the Branson F series (15 series in the US).

I shared these pictures together with a couple more in the Branson forum. However, the dash look indeed like a Tym tractor.

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Taking a closer look at the pictures of the TYM tractors in the first post, looks like a Kukje engine judging by the tandem hydraulic pump setup and the exhaust. And also the front axle, although it's hard to see.

If this is the case and TYM is actually using Branson construction and engineering, this might be good news for both brands. Branson was a stronger tractor than TYM, thus making TYM users with a better product. (Not saying that was bad before!)

Hi ptsg,

I did'nt missed you had already posted these pics.

You are 100 % right. It is a 2019 Branson F47.
But now, please compare this rear view with the one of a 2018 TYM T394 (or 393 for Europe).
You will notice it is exactly identical !
One more thing: now the branson cab plastics are grey and no longer black. Exactly like in TYM tractors.

IMHO, I don't think the new Branson engines will be Yanmar. Kukje, fot sure !

Phil

 

[ptsg]

I agree with you. It's a Branson tractor with a couple TYM accents, like the hood and dash for example.

Do you have anymore pictures of these new TYM units?

Maybe they use the mechanics and chassis of Branson and TYM builds the hood, fenders and interior. Hopefully TYM doesn't make the wiring of the tractors because I've seen countless threads about TYM owners having electrical problems.

 

[EuroYanmar]

Hi,

I have more pictures.
Here are some more pictures of the TYM T494 2019 US model
If you look carefully you will see it has an integrated true hydraulic 3rd function from factory on the loader. Not a solenoid valve.

I hope our EEC Branson will have the same feature !




And to confirm the presence of an integrated true third function valve here are some screen pics from toutube showing the valve on the new TYM T 474 2019 US model (interesting to notice the fitings are made in Italy ! maybe the valve as well ...):



Phil

 

[EuroYanmar]

And some more of the TYM T574 2019 US model as well

Phil

 

[EuroYanmar]

And have a look on the following pictures.
The first two on the left are Branson F47 2019 EEC model and the two on the right TYM T393 2018 EEC model.
What is your conclusion ?

If you look carefully at the first picture which represents a Branson you will notice that the tag "Branson" on the steering wheel has been added with Photoshop (or equivalent) on another picture. Easy to figure out this original picture had another tag in the middle of the steering wheel. Maybe "TYM group" or more simply "TYM"


My conclusion is : You can but Branson or TYM it will be the same tractor BUT....the engine maybe different !


Phil

 

[EuroYanmar]

Ptsg,

What is your opinion about your F36 Branson ?
Is it really compact ?

I am looking for a 45 HP tractor very compact so I am considering buying a F47Hn.
I like too the TYM T393 HST for its compacity but its PTO power is too low for my applications.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Phil

 

[LouNY]

Nice pictures and an interesting thread.
If what I'm seeing is correct I'm not impressed with that cabs Heat AC ducting or lack of.
It looks like the roof panel is the ac and heat duct, summer that red is going to let the sun heat the AC and snow on the roof in the winter will be effective at reducing the heater efficiency.
The rear axles and rear reduction boxes look light to me also, and the 3 point lift arms aren't very stout.
Now that is just my perspective from looking at pictures maybe in person they don't look so light.

It will be interesting in the next few years.

Lou

 

[EuroYanmar]

Nice pictures and an interesting thread.
If what I'm seeing is correct I'm not impressed with that cabs Heat AC ducting or lack of.
It looks like the roof panel is the ac and heat duct, summer that red is going to let the sun heat the AC and snow on the roof in the winter will be effective at reducing the heater efficiency.
The rear axles and rear reduction boxes look light to me also, and the 3 point lift arms aren't very stout.
Now that is just my perspective from looking at pictures maybe in person they don't look so light.

It will be interesting in the next few years.

Lou

Hi Lou,,

I was wondering what was exactly this red color in the roof vents.
If you are right the efficiency of heating (and cooling) will decrease for sure !

Phil

 

[PapeCAT]

branson 15 and 20 series have an 8 lug rear wheel/transaxle. TYM only 6. one way to tell.

 

[ptsg]

Thanks for the pictures!

Those tractors are definitely TYM tractors. I see nothing that could be related to Branson.

As you can see, the rear end is way lighter than any Branson tractor. PapeCat has a really good point about the lug studs.

Regarding the F series. I'm really happy with mine. It's not as compact as Same Solaris or Landini Mistral. It's a bit longer, but the width is the same. The main difference is that you have a platform instead of having the gearbox between your legs, thus making the seat position way higher and feels like a bigger tractor.

It has a lot of power and it's very a robust machine. I've mowed really high brush with 540E gear on the PTO and it didn't tried to bog down on me.

By the way, Branson added the 4815H and 4815R in their website last month or so. It has the A2300NA engine with 48 hp.

 

[EuroYanmar]

Take a closer look. They are TYM chassis not Branson. From the current models it look like a change in the hood and loader. As far as engine they have used Yanmar but being they own Branson it is possible they may switch. They should have them on display at Louisville in a couple months so then we will know for sure.

If some Kentucky members could post here some info about those new TYM models it would be very kind of them.

Pete-Mi said they will be on display in Louisville on February 16, 2019.

I am curious about the engines : Kukje, Yanmar or Perkins ?

 

[EuroYanmar]

Thanks for the pictures!

Those tractors are definitely TYM tractors. I see nothing that could be related to Branson.

As you can see, the rear end is way lighter than any Branson tractor. PapeCat has a really good point about the lug studs.

Regarding the F series. I'm really happy with mine. It's not as compact as Same Solaris or Landini Mistral. It's a bit longer, but the width is the same. The main difference is that you have a platform instead of having the gearbox between your legs, thus making the seat position way higher and feels like a bigger tractor.

It has a lot of power and it's very a robust machine. I've mowed really high brush with 540E gear on the PTO and it didn't tried to bog down on me.

By the way, Branson added the 4815H and 4815R in their website last month or so. It has the A2300NA engine with 48 hp.

Ptsg, I know very well isodiametrical italian tractors.

- They are interesting on slopes as their gravity center is very low.
- On some models the seat can be reversed and you can run a front flail mower very easily.Look at these videos :

Antonio carraro. Paul - YouTube

trattore Carraro TRX94 reversibile con trincia spostamento idraulico - YouTube


- They are interesting under the trees or under grape or kiwi fruit pergolas.

BUT........ they have many drawbacks :

- They don't have a flat deck. You get a bulky transmission between the legs when operating them.
- They are not at all ergonomic.
- They have a huge loss of power between the engine and the PTO. It is such an enormous difference that the companies building them keep the info secret (Antonio Carraro, Valpadana, BCS, Ferrari, Pasquali etc...). Try to ask the PTO HP to a dealer. In EU : no answer ! They only communicate on engine HP
-It's difficult (but still possible) to mount a loader on them (Bonelli).
- They are expensive. The top prices for Antonio Carraro.

 

[ptsg]

The tractors I mentioned are regular compact tractors but with no platform. But I agree, isodiametric tractors are really expensive.

That lost PTO HP is something I didn't knew about. I've almost bought a AC Tigre 4400 tractor instead of the Branson, but the dealer didn't care at all on the two tractors I had to trade. But I'm glad it ended up that way. It was kinda basic model, no shuttle shift for instance.

Not sure why there is such a difference between a regular tractor about the PTO hp.