Boomer Hydro Failure

[Scaper]

Gentlemen, I'm the proud papa of a TC33D with 344.8 hrs. on the ticker. I'm almost as proud of my baby as I am of my children and that's going way out there on a limb. I haven't had so much as a minutes problem with this tractor and hopefully won't have any in the future. I use my unit almost every day during the landscaping season, cutting grass, moving product, overseeding etc.. Here's the problem! A very close friend of mine sells Orange tractors and he was talking to me today at his dealership. I'm looking at a new ZTR Kubota for the business. He stated that he had heard at a trade show that the Hydro units on the Boomer series were failing and that New Holland was buying back tractors due to the problem. Not slipping hydros but failing units. Well I have read all the posts and haven't found anything yet but I am concerned about the possibility of a problem with the units. So, have any of you heard of this problem and if so which units are affected. Like I said I love my Boomer and want to keep her for as long as she will work for me. She does get alot of TLC after work, shower, nails done,lube and so on. I have a need to know since my warranty expires on 4-28 of this year so if anyone has an answer please let me know ASAP.
Scaper

 

[Bird]

Scaper, I don't know a thing about that, so I guess he could be right, but I'd sure be skeptical of that guy.

Bird

 

[Blu21]

Check under TC45 recalls,I think that will fill you in a little more. Tom

 

[RickB]

Not a single Boomer hydro failure @ the dealership where I work, dozens of units out in all sizes. The campaign (recall) on the class III TC's involves the range gearbox, not the hydro. In 4 years, I have yet to see the innards of even the hydro unit from even the older 12,15 and 1620's, and we have many of them out, some with well over 2000hrs. Proper use and maintainence of the NH hydro (and just about all others) will yield excellent service life. The guy may know of a couple isolated cases, but not here.

 

[Thomas]

Scaper,
If it was me I would scoot down to your dealer a.s.a.p. and ask,or call New Holland tomorrow am.
Protect your investment.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Scaper]

I haven't heard of any problems myself, but I was hoping for a dealer mechanic's response to this one. I remember when I bought my unit from Leslie Fogs in New Jersey, the owner Bruce Carter told me that they only had one trans to split and it was due to neglect of a serious nature, ( Like no service for 3 or 4 years) type of thing. I love this tractor and feel that my friend might have just a tad of blue envey because I didn't buy another Orange unit from him when I was ready, two years ago. I owned a B7100 that I loved and it served me very well for five years of very hard use but I maintained it by the book. That little tractor did some pretty amazing things. I liked the new Kubota's but couldn't get comfortable on the B2710 and the 3010 was a bit to heavy for my use. So I looked at the Boomers since I had heard such good reports on them. Boy what a dream this unit has been, great ergonomics and field of view from the driver seat. And that seat is the best I have ever sat on. Plenty of leg room for my small (6'7") frame. So searve me up another piece of rasin pie I love my blue rasins!!! Scaper

 

[markcg2000]

Gotta be honest, Scaper, I think I'd start looking for a different dealer. I hate it when someone tells me about a defect they'd "heard about" and can't back it up... when all they're trying to do is get me to by their own product. I think a person is as likely to lie to me after the sale as he was before /w3tcompact/icons/mad.gif.

mark

 

[paccorti]

Scaper,

I have one of the class III boomers that needs a range gear replacement. Other than that, I have not heard of any wholesale hydro or tranny (or anything else) issue. I've been on this board for almost a year now. It is completely impossible for me to imagine that some massive hydro failure has slipped by the collective experience of this board. I think your buddy is referring to the range gear problem as outlined above. I'm thinking this story just got taller with each telling.

Peter

 

[Scaper]

My wife and I talked about this last night after the little ones went to bed. She said about the samething as a few of you have mentioned. Danny was upset when I bought the new blue two years ago. He said I would have been happier if I had stayed Orange. Well he hasn't heard a complaint from me yet so maybe he's trying to get me going a bit. I have told him every time I have seen him how nice this tractor is. But he did treat me well when I bought from him in the past. And he knows I wasn't comfy on the new models. Hell I even stayed my purchase for the intro of the new 2710. But I didn't fit!! The foot controls were too high for my long legs. The 3010 was to sluggish in high range and when I called Kubota's design center in Cal. with a tech question and told them of a problem with the units I had driven, they blew me off. They told me that there was no problem and I told them to check this site and another site for about 250 posts to the contrary, from owners. If Kubota wants to blow me off before I buy, oh well I'll look at a dif. tractor. Not to mention the 1000 lbs. or so of extra weight the Kubota has!! I gotta stop, I'm not trying to bash Orange, they are wonderful tractors as are most of the major brands. I'm just thankful I bought BLUE!! Scaper

 

[Thomas]

Scaper it was just the opposite for me for my first pick was a NH,and the dealer and I just couldn't connect and I have no regrets for purchasing a Kubota,so I understand where your coming from.
One has to be comfortable w/there investment.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[bekxsteins]

scraper
i think your freind is hurting for sales there are no problems with hydros on nh tractors

 

[skent]

Scaper. . .

I've learned that (most of the time) when somebody says "I heard from a guy. . . " that it's like the Indian Rope Trick, or like the guy somebody knows who bought surplus government Harleys from an auction for $10.00 each. Many people have hard about it but no one has actually seen it.

Believe me. . .if it were a real problem. . . it would be all over this site as well as the others.

Relax, take a clensing breath, put'er in gear and enjoy.

 

[JATO_RaT]

Scaper, I haven't driven a tractor yet that is not sluggish in high range. High range to me is important to get from place to place but not for loader work. My old (95) New Holland 2120 was so sluggish in high I quit using high except on paved roads going downhill. My International 454D is sluggish in high that is 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th. The TC 45D I drove was sluggish in high, inform about the tractor you drove that was not sluggish in high, Rat...

 

[Scaper]

Hi Rat, the tractor that wasn't sluggish was the TC33D I bought. From dead stop to full speed there was ne lag in the power band. I drove 5 different L3010 and they all did the same thing died in high range, hydros and shuttle shift alike. I felt that the extra weight of the Kubota was the main factor. It performed quite well in low and mid range but I have some farms that I cut that have a one and a half mile driveway. Both are Dupont family farms in Maryland. So it does matter to me that it isn't sluggish when I start in during a thunder and lightning storm. I also felt that the New Holland fit me alot better then the other makes. I love Kubotas and maybe one day I amy own another but for right now I still feel that I made the right choice. Interesting that your TC35D is sluggish in high range, maybe it's the extra weight of the unit and only 2 Hp more them my TC33D thats the factor. My unit weighs around 2500 lbs. as I remember whats yours weigh. Scaper

 

[Scaper]

Hi Rat, the tractor that wasn't sluggish was the TC33D I bought. From dead stop to full speed there was ne lag in the power band. I drove 5 different L3010 and they all did the same thing died in high range, hydros and shuttle shift alike. I felt that the extra weight of the Kubota was the main factor. It performed quite well in low and mid range but I have some farms that I cut that have a one and a half mile driveway. Both are Dupont family farms in Maryland. So it does matter to me that it isn't sluggish when I start in during a thunder and lightning storm. I also felt that the New Holland fit me alot better then the other makes. I love Kubotas and maybe one day I may own another but for right now I still feel that I made the right choice. Interesting that your TC35D is sluggish in high range, maybe it's the extra weight of the unit and only 2 Hp more then my TC33D thats the factor. My unit weighs around 2500 lbs. as I remember whats yours weigh. Scaper

 

[Scaper]

Sorry for the double post again folks this computer at the office does this to me, I guess my hands and fingers just don't fit as well on this old keyboard. ( well I had to have some sort of excuse) Scaper

 

[JATO_RaT]

Scaper, the NH's are great ergo tractors. I personally don't own one nor know of any folks around me that own one. Was wondering how the loader control stick works out being more on the fender? I only got to look at the TC33, no test drive. Looks like a great tractor, Rat...

 

[Alan L.]

My 2710 is certainly not sluggish at highway speed - even against the wind uphill in 6 feet of snow /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.

I'm only 5'10" (210 pounds) and my 2710 is very comfortable to spend lots of time on, so I can see how a taller man might be cramped for space.

If there was a big problem with the NH hydro I'm sure somebody would have been on here crying about it. In two years on this and the previous board I have never heard of any problems with the NH hydro.



Alan L., TX

 

[Scaper]

This is to Rat and Alan, Well first off I don't have the loader control on the fender with my TC33D. Leslie Fog, my selling dealer made a special bracket for me when I closed the deal on the TC. My boot size is 15 and my big arse foot wouldn't fit between the hydro foot control and the loader control housing. So I told them I'll buy the unit but you have to fit it with the old style loader control bracket. This bracket was used on the older style 1630 and so on. Well that would have been great but no way to make it work on the Boomer. So the shop forman , New Holland and myself came up with a one time loader valve post and used the old style control valve and outlet ports. Well you can't tell it's not factory, as a matter of fact when I had the unit in for service one time a gentalman asked me about the loader control valve being up top and not by the foot controls. He said he was going to purchase a new tractor and he liked the valve up top as it had been on his older ford. Well I guess now there are two like mine out there. I really like the up top mount myself since thats where I learned to control the loaders on the farm. To Alan, I loved the 2710, it ran quite nice when I demoed the first one Stolsfuse (Sp.) equipment got in. The four cylinder ran quiet and strong. The darn foot pedels were too high for me to control the tractor. When ya have to lift up a 37" inseam leg to put a foot on the control it causes a bit of discomfort. I liked the unit for it's size and power. The one thing I have said is that with the extra weight the 3010 just didn't have enough "git up and go." it seemed like it got up and went before I got on. Shame but thats my two cents. I hopoe your happy with your tractor they are very nice units, it's just like you said a bigger person is cramped. Heck I even liked the large Cub Cadets and was all ready to get one until I sat on it. Boy talk about cramped try one of those at a local dealer. Nice heavy tractor but made for asian sized persons, not being nasty just honest. That is one tight fit for us small fellers. Scaper

 

[Bird]

<font color=blue>liked the large Cub Cadets and was all ready to get one until I sat on it</font color=blue>

I guess they haven't changed a lot in the last few years. In 1995, I was considering the Cub Cadet (had a Cub Cadet riding mower that I liked at the time), but once I got on the tractor, I knew that wouldn't do; didn't even start the engine. However, the B2710 fits me pretty well./w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

Bird