Blizzard 2015 Boston

/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #402  
Yup,

We don't need no stinkin boiling water snow melting pits Mayor Walsh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tis amazing what can be had and wasted with municipal funds when
there is a snow problem.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #403  
Yup,

We don't need no stinkin boiling water snow melting pits Mayor Walsh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tis amazing what can be had and wasted with municipal funds when
there is a snow problem.

The trash would still need to be dealt with. How about a fire hydrant dumped in the melter?

I don't get the point of you being hung up on these melters. It costs nothing to watch snow melt, and we don't need to be burning more coal or other hydrocarbon fuels so we can make more crazy weather.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #404  
This just in: the last of the Boston "snow farms" has melted. No chance for a glacier, am disappoint.

Yup,

We don't need no stinkin boiling water snow melting pits Mayor Walsh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tis amazing what can be had and wasted with municipal funds when
there is a snow problem.
Beg to differ.

It is cheaper and/or faster to melt the snow near the source than to try and transport it through the city. That also assumes the city has enough space to store the snow, which was not the case this winter and several others in recent memory.

MassPort has been melting the snow at Logan Airport for years. Under Menino the city would not buy them but borrowed the MassPort equipment to clear downtown. Northeastern University bought one, I believe the city purchased two, and we borrowed two from NY.

To put it in perspective, I believe the total bill in Boston was $30-35 million. Montreal is 4X bigger than Boston, but spens 5-6X as much. With Boston's crucial role in the regional economy, we should probably be spending more, not less. Of course fixing the MBTA has to be part of that equation.
 
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/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #405  
Last of the snow piles is still present! Saw it on news just a few minutes ago on WBZ (though the beautiful blonde was nicer to look at). Tons of trash on top of it but the snow/ice is still there.

Although I advocated dumping in the harbor back in Feb/ March, the enormous amount of crap of all sorts mixed with the snow is rather shocking.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #406  
This just in: the last of the Boston "snow farms" has melted. No chance for a glacier, am disappoint.

Beg to differ.

It is cheaper and/or faster to melt the snow near the source than to try and transport it through the city. That also assumes the city has enough space to store the snow, which was not the case this winter and several others in recent memory.

MassPort has been melting the snow at Logan Airport for years. Under Menino the city would not buy them but borrowed the MassPort equipment to clear downtown. Northeastern University bought one, I believe the city purchased two, and we borrowed two from NY.

To put it in perspective, I believe the total bill in Boston was $30-35 million. Montreal is 4X bigger than Boston, but spens 5-6X as much. With Boston's crucial role in the regional economy, we should probably be spending more, not less. Of course fixing the MBTA has to be part of that equation.

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I beg to differ,


Mayor Menino obviously saw how much fuel that was consumed
by these units and passed on it.

It was an opportunity cost situation where the high cost of operation
could not justify the use versus what equipment they had in inventory
or that was loaned to them.

The portable ice and snow melting trailers are energy intensive and make
use of very little of the melt water to maintain thermal mass by using
forced air heating and a small melt tank to do the work.

Yes they melt the snow, but they lose forever the thermal mass created by
the hot water that results as it overflows to the machines spillway or
discharge hose that drains the smaller tank on the snow melter.

They can never make use of the thermal mass created in a huge pit of
near boiling water to melt the incoming ice and snow even with the
larger trailer mounted snow melters for the same reason.

They waste the melting potential of huge amount of heat energy available
from snow melt kept at a near steaming state.


As far as the garbage in the snow the pit could be equipped with waste
collection baskets that would bring any debris to the surface to be
disposed of after the baskets are dumped into a roll off container.

I still have to wonder why they have not visited Hokkaido Island to
see the snow melting systems in use there.

They use the Japanese version of the ten wheeler and other dump trucks
to the dump the snow in the vats/pits and it melts quickly in a couple of
minutes as all the water is at steaming temperature.

It would not take much flat land to install several of these systems due
to the inherent ability of water to transmit energy to the melting process.

They run these things around the clock when they have the heavy snows
which the island is famous for.

Saying that the water in a snow melting pit could be kept warm early
in the snow season with a low energy demand with low pressure
hot water boiler coal stokers that do not require licensed boiler operator to run them.

The same applies to the airport as they could use a central meting station with much
higher efficiency per ton of snow with pit melter operating at near steaming temperature
as needed.

The beautiful thing about the physics of thermal mass is it take so little energy bring it back up to a high temperature.
 
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/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #408  
Mayor Walsh announced that the last of the monster snow pile in South Boston finished melting today. Mid July. Not bad.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #410  
Last winter we used 170 lbs of ice melter. This winte - two lbs.
My snow shovel is rusty. I also have used only a few pounds of ice melt. More importantly, we've had no snow that was big enough to cause ice dams. I've started thinking about removing snow tires too.

Of course it's only early March and I still recall the significant May snowstorm in the mid 70's.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #411  
Have faith Island Tractor, I have only used my
mule mounted snow blower for two minutes
two weeks ago.

I will not stop burning coal in my stoker boiler until I know
the weather has changed or in late May. Fortunately it only
takes a few minutes to heat up the 54 gallons of water in
my system with my Keystoker KAA-4-1.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #412  
I've used my snowblower three times...replaced the belt twice. Not sure if something else in the system is causing it to eat belts, or if they just aren't made well any more. Replaced the cutting edge, which may have been interfering with the paddle, but haven't had to run it since to see if that was the issue.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #413  
I've used my snowblower three times...replaced the belt twice. Not sure if something else in the system is causing it to eat belts, or if they just aren't made well any more. Replaced the cutting edge, which may have been interfering with the paddle, but haven't had to run it since to see if that was the issue.
I had some trouble with my snowblower after it froze following one of the slushy snowstorms followed by a deep freeze. It stalled every time I tried to engage the auger. Had to chip out frozen slush from the ejection auger bit by bit (in the dark and freezing cold!!) before it would work again. I feared for the ten year old original belts but they survived.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #414  
Have faith Island Tractor, I have only used my mule mounted snow blower for two minutes two weeks ago. I will not stop burning coal in my stoker boiler until I know the weather has changed or in late May. Fortunately it only takes a few minutes to heat up the 54 gallons of water in my system with my Keystoker KAA-4-1.

I miss my Vermont Castings coal burning stove and its wonderful orange glow. But I don't miss hauling buckets of coal from the basement or emptying the ash. Still was more convenient than wood though. All natural gas these days.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #415  
Started snowing about 5:30 and we have 3". Inland New England has up to 6". Big winds. The kind of winter storm we barely had this winter!

3-5" more snow forecast for tomorrow. I bet BPS throws the kids a snow day.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #416  
I'm about eight miles north of Boston and maybe six from the coastline. We had maybe an inch or two but it didn't stick to pavement. Just on the trees and lawns.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #417  
We only got an inch or so in Southern NH. It will be gone shortly. It is quite windy out.
 
/ Blizzard 2015 Boston #418  
We got 5 or 6 inches of pretty heavy snow here. Luckily i still have the blower on the 3 pt. didn't do any of the grass area, just the concrete driveway.
 

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