Blades you cannot sharpen? BAHHH!!

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slammer

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What kind of money sucking trick is this? I read in this very forum somewhere that Craftsman? is now selling machines with blades that can't be sharpened or that they recommend not be sharpened?!? Does this strike anyone else as an excuse to suck even more money out of hapless folks that may not know any better? Blades are rediculously easy to sharpen. I hear some say that "everytime I do sharpen the blades I get a vibration, that's why I bring them to you..." I tell these folks that if they have the ability to sharpen their blades and want to do it I can fix the vibration. I then give them, yes GIVE them a $5.00 blade balancer. No more vibration and I have a happy customer who knows I care.

If the blades on these mowers really cannot be sharpened then don't buy the mower as this is just a blatant ploy that IMHO is also an unscrupulous business practice.

OK I am done ranting now. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Slam
 
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Slammer, I wish you could be more specific. I would want to know why they recommend blades not be re-sharpened. Is it because some people fail to get the balance right with the resulting vibration, or is it because if they take too much off or sharpen them too many times, there isn't enough left to provide the lifting effect to get a good cut, or is it because they have a new metal alloy, or because some people in sharpening get the blade so hot it loses some of its temper? I don't guess I've encountered any blades that weren't supposed to be sharpened, although I've known folks who would rather just throw them away and put new ones on.
 
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Think Slammer is talking about my comments on the Murray vs Craftsman thread. I'll quote the owner's manual tomorrow. Don't know if Craftsman has changed since I bought this garden tractor 3 yrs ago. The blade is "wavy" (presumably because the same blade works in regular and mulching mode). My son sharpened and balanced one as a test and it just doesn't cut the same. We won't be sharpening any of the others. I also will not be purchasing any garden tractor in the future that doesn't allow me to sharpen the blades myself. The aftermarket costs are too much for the number of hours I use a mower. More to follow tomorrow.....Roy
 
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Roy, yes it was your post, I just misplaced it. Thanks for chiming in. I would appreciate your quoting the manual on this issue. I will also do a little research. The whole scenario is just ridiculous.

Slam
 
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Thanks, Roy. I think I understand now. I've seen those "wavy" blades and while I've no doubt you could sharpen them, it would be a bit awkward. When I bought a new Craftsman a couple of years ago, I learned that there were 4 different blades (and 4 different part numbers, of course) that were recommended for use on it; one of them being the wavy kind.
 
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What gets me is that you can purchase a blade that will mulch by using the "fins" or teeth on the back of the blade but does not affect the cutting edge. Sears could use a blade like that instead of the "wavy" blade. But instead they want you to buy blades every time they get dull. Which is about 3 - 4 times a season on average. It's horse puckey. Do they tell you this at time of purchase? Do they let you decide which type of blade to use? If so then it's not as bad.

Slam
 
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Hey Slam!

I think you should be able to buy a mower that you could sharpen the blades on. The manufacturer art not make the mower if you couldn't. If not, I WOULDN'T buy the mower. Even though, I still would try to sharpen them anyway!

I never even knew that if you sharpened a blade, you had to
balance it. How do you do it? How long does it take?

I have been told by elderly people that the best way to sharpen bush hog blades is to take them off, heat the cutting edge up with a torch, and beat them down with a hammer. Is this true?

Travis R
 
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What gets me is that you can purchase a blade that will mulch by using the "fins" or teeth on the back of the blade but does not affect the cutting edge. Sears could use a blade like that instead of the "wavy" blade.
I just ordered replacement blades for a craftsman mower. I am getting him the gator mulching blades which I assume are the ones you are talking about. I think Stens makes the raptor blades which look to be about the same. AYP pn 180054 replaced by Gator 95-915. The gator blades are heavier & cheaper than OEM blades.
I never even knew that if you sharpened a blade, you had to balance it. How do you do it? How long does it take?
The secret here is to sharpen the blades before they become really dull. When deciding weather to sharpen or toss I take a few things into account. Is the blade worn down to the point that I can no longer determine the bevel? If so, I toss it. Sharpening that blade is going to take a long time & create alot of heat which will take away the strength of the blade & cutting edge & be difficult to balance. On the high lift blades (the ones with the piece bent up), I inspect the area where it bends up to see for excessive wear. Alot of the blades are thin & when used in less than ideal places will wear out. Sandy soil especially will have a sandblast effect on them.
There are many ways to sharpen blades, from expensive blade grinders down to the ordinary hand file. If you use your mower in ideal conditions & sharpen regularly, then a hand file with the blade in a vise is all you will need. Balancing should hardly be a concern because you aren't removing very much metal at all. For others, I find an angle grinder the easiest & fastest method. Just clamp the blade in a vise & follow the same bevel on the blade. Sharpen with the leading edge up. Meaning, your sparks should be going down toward your feet. (not the best explanation /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif). A bench grinder can be used but with the design of most of the blades nowadays, (wavy, high lift etc.) it is hard to follow the edge. Balancing can be done with expensive magnetic balancers or with something a simple as a nail or something similar. Just place the center hole on the nail & see if the blade stays horizontal. If one side goes down then that is the side that you have to grind a little more. For the star shaped blades, you can use the little cone shaped balancer that Slam was talking about.
I have been told by elderly people that the best way to sharpen bush hog blades is to take them off, heat the cutting edge up with a torch, and beat them down with a hammer. Is this true?
Hmmm, never heard that before. Brush/bush hog blades are different than mower blades. They are designed to mow/chop everything. They really don't have a sharpened edge on them. They actually swing around & will bounce back if they hit an immovable object, as you probably know.

Last thing (finally, you say /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)The blades are probably one of the least attended to parts on a mower, (well, with some we can add oil, air filter, fuel) Without sharp blades your grass will be more torn than cut & will have brown edges. Mower will work harder. I just replaced a bearing on a Honda riding mower deck. When I removed the deck at the persons house, I said, wow looks like your blades are shot. She said, you know, we never had a problem with this mower since we bought it in 1987. Those are the original blades, never even had to sharpen them. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif OK, enough for this time...
 
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The manual does say sharpening is not recommened, but then says how to do it, as well as balancing the blade. I wonder if it's some sort of legal liability thing.
I use the wavy mulching blades on mine & they work well. I sharpen them with my die grinder frequently. It does a good job w/o heating the blade edge.
 
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Travis I use a hand grinder, it's more precise than a bench grinder and does'nt heat the steel as much. I take off no more metal than I absolutely have to and I use a cone balancer. I use the cone instead of a nail as it will give you the balance end to end and fore and aft. The better job you do balancing your blade the longer the bearings/spindles will last on the mower. Friction, vibration, and heat are the enemy of any machine.

Slam
 

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