Billy Goat Outback VS DR Brush Mower

[Scooby074]

Last weekend i rented a Billy Goat Outback mower to maintain a piece of land i own. The mower was great on the smaller thorn bushes and heavy grass, but really struggled on any alders over 3/4". So it was back to the spacing saw and hand piling for the larger stuff.

I found the Outback was lacking the weight to push over the larger branches and seemed to jam up and stall the blade, not the engine. It also could have benefited from some sort of posi traction, because it always seemed to spin a wheel when you least wanted it. The back edge of the mower deck also hung up on 3-4" tall stumps from a previous cutting. The deck was set at max height.

How would a DR field mower cope with the larger alters, say 1"+? The alders around here usually grow in clusters of 3-4 "trunks" sharing a common stump. Would it have the weight to push it over and cut it?

How is the DR's traction and ground clearance? Would it hang up on the older stumps, or is the rear of the deck open? Its hard to tell from their website pictures.

After renting the outback, i don't think it fits my needs, however they are the only rough mower available locally and i really liked the Honda engine.

If the DR will handle the vegetation i need to control, then i will strongly consider buying one for next year, however, there's no DR dealer within 250 Mi. according to their website, so a hands on inspection would be out. Id hate to order one and have to send it back, even with their excellent return policy.

Hopefully someone on here will have used both machines and can do a direct comparison so I know whether the problems i had were due to the outback being a rental or just lacking in design.

I'm open to any suggestions for other machines as well. What about BCS? There's supposed to be a dealer in Halifax but they're $$$. Would it handle the alder clusters?

I'm still a few years away from my tractor and bush hog. It cant come fast enough lol.

 

[EastTexFrank]

I don't know if I'm the right person to reply to this as I have no idea about a Billy Goat Outback and my Dr is one of the old, old models. It has steel bicycle wheels and solid rubber tires, no reverse and only one forward speed. I bought it for a specific purpose, to mow around the lake, and I put the heavy brush cutter blade on it. Having said all that, 3/4" saplings are not a problem, 1-1/2" is stretching it a bit. When you take out a sapling, it rides up on to it, bending it over until the blade makes contact and there is a whole lot of banging and clattering and bits come flying out everywhere. The newer models have pneumatic tires, 3 (?) forward speeds and a reverse and are much heavier than mine so they should handle slightly thicker stuff with the heavy brush blade. The traction should also be better than mine, which isn't all that bad by the way, except when going downhill as there is no engine breaking on the old ones. It's a case of hold on and go for a ride.

The thing is not to get in too much of a hurry. If the blade passes over a stump or stob with the side runners on the ground then the back of the mower will pass over it too. It will leave a couple of inches sticking up though and when cutting a lot of brushy stuff it does make for some tough walking, especially since it doesn't mulch, just chops.

The Dr's are built for just the situation that you describe. In fact I just dug mine out today after sitting idle for 3 years. Checked the oil, filled it with fresh gas and it only took 4 pulls for it to fire up. It's a good quality machine, well made and the only time I had to use their customer service, it was excellent.

It's a pity that you can't hire one to see if it fits the bill because they are not inexpensive even with their return policy. The only thing that I would add is that they are a lot harder work than their commercials and advertising shows. Perhaps the newer ones are a lot easier.

 

[dbdartman]

The DR does SEEM to have a limited slip differential. Having said that, the LSD WILL make it more difficult to turn. The mower is open in the front, closed back, so I'll assume it'll hang up on "stumps" also. Can't comment on what it will cut size wise, never cut anything more than heavy grass/weeds, don't use the cutter any more as it's been replaced by a 5' rotary, but do have the snow blower attachment (which works pretty well).

 

[bontai_Joe]

If you plan on cutting a lot of stuff over 3/4" with any walk behind mower, you are gonna get a thorough and rigorous workout. Invest a few bucks in an elastic back brace for additional support. I've never run a mower like this over the heavy stuff you describe, but imagine it will be something like operating a front tine tiller over virgin ground (something I used to do a lot of), the back brace will help.

 

[Scooby074]

Thanks for the info so far guys. Thats why I love this site! As my use of the Outback will attest it is a real workout!!! I think the DR sounds like a much better unit for my needs. DR certainly seams like a top notch company,i used their chat feature and it turns out i have a dealer 45 mins away (info was buried on the international dealers page!) so ill likely try to get over and look in person one of these days. I ordered the DVD and catalog from DR as well.

Does anybody know if the dealers follow DR's satisfaction guaranteed return policy or does that only apply to mail order?

Has anybody tried a Simplicity mower? I think they're hydrostatic? Dealer is 2 hrs away though.

 

[ChuckinNH]

There are some more extensive threads on DR field, and brush mowers here, and a search may turn up more of the info you are looking for. It does seem that the DR's will chop up about anything they can push over / climb. You may want to check carefully with your dealer about the DR buy back policy. I bought my Troy Built tiller from a dealer years ago, and they did not have the same warranty that the company had directly.

 

[jinjimbob]

Some places do rent these DR Brush Mowers out, not near me though.

I bought the 17HP 30" last year, I have used it to cut down trees over 3" thick, but once you go that thick a chain saw is easier. Using it to cut down trees is quite a work out. I cleared black berry bushes and alders mostly, then just keep that land up with a riding mower. I take it places that a tractor can't fit.

I have hit concrete, rocks, bricks, steel chunks, stumps. It smashes most things to bits.

I used tech support for the first time on Saturday, as I ripped the wires off the side in heavy brush, need info on where to hook things back up to. American guy answered within 60 seconds, didn't know the answer, but called me back within 5 minutes. Very satisfied.

On their promo videos they show a little old lady using it . . . . no way could she cut trees.
I think the 6 months guarantee is only for items bought direct.

There are several videos on youtube of these in action.

 

[cranedog10]

How bout a gravely L... you can usually find a running one for about $300 bucks with the bush hog. Power? Plenty! Ability to push over 1+ saplings and not look back, Yep did a 100 square foot patch with no issue. Just make sure it is using the heavier bush hog blade and it sharpened. Actually hit a metal chain link fence that was buried it tore it up until it got tangled around the blade. Another time it hit a cinder block also partially buried in high grass, it aint no cinder block no more. Both incidents resulted in no damage to the machine, but I did resharpen the blades not sure what current machine could say the same at any price. These machine sometimes do need a little of Tlc but the oil filters are PH-13 the same filters used on my doge 318 Mopar. Hope this helps.

 

[Scooby074]

Gravely might be an option if i can find one in decent condition. Ones around here seem to sell for alot more than $300 and are pretty used up. I understand most parts are still available.

Im probably going to hold off on any purchases for a while. Hopefully within the next year or two ill have a bushog. That would be the best answer, those walk behind brush cutters will wear you out

 

[caver]

I went with a . Swisher Predator It's a heavy beast. The reviews on various websites are fairly accurate. I had a cutter head bearing fail after several hours of use. It was fixed locally under warranty with no hassle from Swisher. Made in Missouri.

 

[marks]

I've rented a Billy Goat several times, and it beat the heck out of me. Went on to purchase a DR off EBay, and it is much better machine.

 

[jltii]

Hi! James Tyree II of Oregon Field and Brush Mowing here. I have mowed with tractors large and small and Gravely, DR All Terrain Mowers AND the Original DR Field and Brush Mowers and have used th Billy Goat Outback. The Gravely was heavy and awkward, the Outback loses traction and the blade tends to stall out as well as not cutting very nicely. The original DR Field and Brush Mower circa 1997 is great but too slow for commercial use and won't handle cutting thick grass much over three feet tall. The DR All Terrain Mower (second generation circa 2001) is the greatest piece of machinery. It does it all and keeps on cutting. The handles tend to break down by the bend with a lot of use, but not much else goes wrong with it. In 1st gear there wouldn't be any problem cutting 1.5" to 2" sapplings. I have the 10.5 hp model. your experience might improve with the 14 or 15 hp. I would stay away from the 12.5 Tecumseh as those engines have given me nothing but trouble. I hope this helps.

 

[ageuss]

I must confess to being a "brand new" troop using this site but I'm committed to providing real life experiences using my new JD 2305 with mower deck and front end loader as well as DR Pro Max 30" Brush Cutter and assorted other tools purchased to re-gain control of our newly asquired 5 acres of fields surrounding our new home here in Rhinebeck, NY.

When we viewed this property, still living in Europe, we could see that much of the terrain had been mowed. When I finally took possession all the surrounding fields were "meadow" with grass and weeds up to 5 feet high. The new JD utility tractor proved to be great but was overheating with all the debree clogging the front end air intake being blown around/sucked in by the mower deck. My new Gravely push/walk behind weed-wacker was also OK but was frequently badly affecetd by three foot long fine grasses getting twisted around the spinning cutting/ drive shaft. All else having failed I took out the (also new) steel bladed hand held weed-wacker/brush cutter. It managed to cut everything easily but leaving all the cut grass/weeds best suited churned into cow feed versus being hauled to my large shed sized grass pile. Did I mention my 65 year old in great shape body has begun to wear down. 5 hours a day for 5 days and still only 25% done. So I bought the DR. When I manage to gain some experience using it I'll be able to offer a comment. I suspect this beast will be well suited for my use......primarily high grass/weeds versus saplings. Some of both but mainly previously mowed field. We'll see.

I am delighted having found this site and intend to check it frequently!!

Adam in Rhinebeck

 

[bflank]

I also rented a Billy Goat last year, because it was the only brush mower that I could find near Spencer, TN for rental. It was adequate for moderate brush but totally inadequate for saplings of any significant size. The arrangement of the controls was also poor, requiring you to lean over every time you need to shift the transmission. Manual starting for cutting saplings is a major pain, since I found I ended up stalling relatively often as I tried to push the saplings over. The Billy Goat had a number of wires that were easily pulled off as I went through heavy growth. All in all not really a success.

So after much reading and bank account soul searching, I bought the new DR 18HP brush mower. Big difference. It still is a heck of a workout, especially in rough terrain or cutting saplings but much easier to use and more effective than the Billy Goat. I found that I could in fact cut saplings up to about 3" as advertised, but for anything that won't bend over almose immediately it's just easier to go around and cut with a chainsaw. But for sizes up to 1 1/2" to 2" (other than hard woods) it really did the job.

The controls are well set up and easy to use, although my wife complained that for her smaller hand the operator presence lever & clutch lever made her hand sore after a while. Electric start is truly a wonderful thing. The 18HP Kawasaki engine seems like a real workhorse.

I have about 4 acres covered heavily with saplings, so I anticipate a very long job. So far, I'm pretty happy with the unit.

 

[Ken45101]

I have a ten year old DR. It will handle your saplings fine. The locking differential prevents the wheel spin issue and the thing is a real beast when it comes to traction. I've used it on the farm and for maintaining miles of state forest bridle trails. It will wear you out when you are doing miles of rough, uneven terrain with it. It's easy to use on flatter, even terrain.

I don't think I've ever had the rear end get caught up on stubs.

When I bought it, I also bought the spare "heavy duty" blade. It's still in the package and I've never even sharpened the original blade.

Ken

 

[al.4781]

Hello Folks,

I rented a Billy Goat Brush Cutter last year for the weekend and was able to clear our back meadow (approx. 3.5 acres of heavy grass/weeds of 5 to 6 feet high and some 1" to 1.5" saplings, but fairly level) with no problems. I found the Billy Goat to be very effective. It took me about 16 hours in total to clear the back meadow. I had the Billy Goat in self-propel mode using the low gears (I think it was either the first or second gear) and it only got stuck a couple of times due to some of the grass getting stuck around the blade.

Regards, al.4781

 

[westwamower]

There's a new brush mower on the market, with great cutting power, durability and its not strenuous for the operator. It's the Orec SH72! Orec is a leading Japanese manufacturer that's just come to the US and they build great machines.

Here's a link to the video:

YouTube - BushMowerSH72Demo.wmv

please take a look, I think y'all will be impressed

 

[Scooby074]

There's a new brush mower on the market, with great cutting power, durability and its not strenuous for the operator. It's the Orec SH72! Orec is a leading Japanese manufacturer that's just come to the US and they build great machines.

Here's a link to the video:

YouTube - BushMowerSH72Demo.wmv

please take a look, I think y'all will be impressed

Interesting products. What prices? The Flail could use a little more power in my opinion.

Your RM98 looks like a Canycom Machine?

 

[scotty088]

I own a 04 model 17 h.p. DR Trimmer.This machine is awesome!! It has the weight and power to be able to mow large overgrown areas of saplings,vegitation etc.Any machine of this catagory will work the operator.no way to get around this fact.How can you beat DRs claim to ship you a new machine to try out for 6mos free?Parts and tech help are just a phone call or mouse click away.Engineered and made in America.This has been a valuable tool to help in the maintenance of my property and I highly reccomend it.:thumbsup: Scotty

 

[westwamower]

I've seen the products at some rental shops here in Washington, so I don't know the retail pricing. Maybe take a look around at some rental shops in your area to see if they are carrying these machines.