Beavers! what to do?

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I'm calling the NYSDEC tomorrow morning to ask for a permit to rid myself of some bucktoothed guests. I don't anticipate any problems with the permit as I've done this before and they were very easy to deal with, so long as a roadway is involved. Since I can no longer find the culvert in my farm lane (underwater) I guess that qualifies, as it did a few years ago.

Did I mention I've done this before? So... the question is does anyone have any experience with removing our little paddle-tailed friends? I got several of them the last time, but they only came right back. The main lodges are in a half acre pond and I really don't mind them there but they're getting greedy with my land.

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Out west where there are coyotes and some wolves that have been reintroduced, the livestock owners call it the "3 S's". Shootit , shovelit, and shut-up about it. We got rid of a few beavers back here that way.
 
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Trap them in a box cage and deliver them to a 'friends' property or onto some county property. Our local paper just showed picture of a beaver dam tat was 150' long and 50' wide at one point. Some freak North American record.
 
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NYS DEC has some suggestions on building extended culverts that do not attract beavers with the sound of running & are harder for them to plug.
 
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I saw a show on Discovery (I think) and they would put down heavy fence around the culvert in a certain way and the beavers would not bother it. The fence was on bottom and sides. It was pretty need how it worked, but I didn't know enough about beavers to understand the strategy behind it.
 
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What to do with beavers?

Beaver jerky
Beaver steaks
Roast beaver
Beaver sausage
Beaver fur lined seat covers
 
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I’ve had some problems with beaver and they are hard to get rid of. The two methods used in my area are trapping or shooting. There are guys in this area that will trap for the pelts, you might check in your area. Shooting is an option but being primarily nocturnal it is often hard to find them when it is practical to shoot.

MarkV
 
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I saw that on Discovery as well and I think the idea is to make something oblique to the entrance of the culvert. Apparently beavers like to deal with right angles...

Last go 'round I shot a bunch of 'em (with permit, of course) and found they were quite active just before sunset. It was actually kinda nice sitting on top of the lodge watching for beavers and catching the sunset on the way back up to the house.

Ya know, them critters is REAL quiet. Funny how they suddenly appeared gliding along in the water.

DEC also sent a guy over who was a trapper and he set his traps, but pulled 'em a few days later and I never saw him again. Of course, he did say the pelts weren't worth much any more, thanks to PETA, so he only went where it was easy picking. My pond wasn't easy enough to get to, I guess. Need to build a bridge, huh?

We've got coyote around here too, but they have a hard time catching ol' paddletail.
 
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Try this, in the morning open up a portion of his/her dam. Come make at dusk with a 12 gauge loaded with Turkey shot.He/she will come back to repair the dam. Shoot said varmin.

I have a beaver dam in Northern Wisconsin that spans 600-700 feet.
This past summer Northern Wisconsin had the driest, or one of the driest seasons on record. The beaver created or recreated a 75 plus acre waterfowl paradise. The duck hunting last fall was phenomenal.

I beleive the price of beaver pelts are up substantially over previous years.

Good luck with your beaver problem.

Gotta go help a friend with a goose problem. I recommend goose loads for this problem.Later.

-Mike-
 
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KubotaSteve said:
I saw a show on Discovery (I think) and they would put down heavy fence around the culvert in a certain way and the beavers would not bother it. The fence was on bottom and sides. It was pretty need how it worked, but I didn't know enough about beavers to understand the strategy behind it.

I have had that same problem with the pond below my house. We tramped them a couple of times, but within a few months they would be back and before we knew it the water was up over the road.

A few years ago the town finally decided to fix the problem and dug out the entire area and put in a new culvert and the constructed a V-shaped steel grid fence that was about two feet wider than the culvert on each side and perturbed out about three feet with the point of the V facing toward the pond. At the time I thought, "Wow here we go spending more money". Well it is going on three years and on sign of beavers.

Wayne
 
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Trap them and send them to my sister in sw Arkansas. She already has two for pets, and they had a baby. I think one of them passed away recently, so after many years she might have room for one or two more.
David from jax
 
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ok, the DEC permit is on its way.

Yes, turkey loads work nicely. Since May is spring Turkey season, I figure I'll hunt turkey in the morning and beaver in the evening. Guess it don't get no better than that.

Anyway, as I was explaining to the DEC biologist, they're not blocking the culvert. Heck, they swim through it to get to the new dams. Since it's my culvert the town surely won't do anything for me. Oddly enough, there's a small man-made "lake" that drains through my pond and the residents are complaining about the rising water level. I told the town what was happening at my place and it went in one ear and out the other... without slowing down a bit!

What I'm trying to figure out is how much of the dam/lodge do I need to take down for them to get the message. From all I've heard over the years, there's no real way to get rid of them. Now an old friend of mine is a well driller and his place is right down the road. I always wondered if I asked if he'd come dynamite the lodges and if that'd do the trick. I figure someone on TBN has managed to get rid of these critters one way or another. Shoot 'em, trap 'em yeah, got that part covered.
 
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On second thought Wayne... maybe if I built the V shaped fence in the pond spillway......... it's worth a try, huh?
 
   / Beavers! what to do? #14  
A funny story!!

This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan

(State's letter) SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023;

T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.

Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,

Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.

We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.

All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2005.

Please notify this offic! e when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full

cooperation in this matter.

Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price





District Representative, Land and Water Management Division





















This is the actual response sent back:





Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;

Montcalm County.













Dear Mr. Price,





Your certified letter dated 12/17/04 has been handed to me to respond in regarding to the above mentioned file.

I am the legal landowner but not t! he Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.

A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

My first dam question to you is:

(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers... or

(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through The Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Ac t, Act451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

I have several concerns. My first concern is... aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation?

The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation, so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names.

If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers, but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter... they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond.

If the Department of Natural Resources and

Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2005? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

Thank You, Ryan DeVries & The Dam Beavers:D
 
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I also have beaver issues last year we trapped 12 2 of which weighed app 70 lbs each this year we have trapped 8 so far 2 70 lbs beavers it looks like the beaver activity is down but we will put out traps again next year. I think you just have to keep after them. In CT you can only trap you cannot shoot them.The season is Dec 1 thru april. the fellow who sets the traps has a state lic. and he sell the pelts and the meat.
 
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Lynkage said:
A funny story!!

This is an actual letter sent to a man named Ryan DeVries by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan

(State's letter) SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023;

T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; Montcalm County

Dear Mr. DeVries:

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.

Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,

Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations.

We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.

All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2005.

Please notify this offic! e when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full

cooperation in this matter.

Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

David L. Price





District Representative, Land and Water Management Division





















This is the actual response sent back:





Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;

Montcalm County.













Dear Mr. Price,





Your certified letter dated 12/17/04 has been handed to me to respond in regarding to the above mentioned file.

I am the legal landowner but not t! he Contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.

A couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of natures building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity.

My first dam question to you is:

(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers... or

(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request?

If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through The Freedom of Information Act, I request completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Ac t, Act451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated.

I have several concerns. My first concern is... aren't the beavers entitled to legal representation?

The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said representation, so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names.

If you want the stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition please contact the beavers, but if you are going to arrest them, they obviously did not pay any attention to your dam letter... they being unable to read English. In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam rights than I do to live and enjoy Spring Pond.

If the Department of Natural Resources and

Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the natural resources (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams). So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until 1/31/2005? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no way for you or your dam staff to harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears! Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.

Thank You, Ryan DeVries & The Dam Beavers:D


So, when does Mr. DeVries get out of prison?

jb
 
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Todd that's great!! Thanks for this follow up!!:D
 
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elkun1 said:

wow, now that's an idea.. Thanks!

I don't have anything like that, but I'm wondering if I can use chicken wire, or plastic snow fence or some other substitute. Net 'em and drown 'em..
 

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