Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Hay Dude]

Maybe democracy in America as well. Given what happened last year, China may outlast the US.

You want to share what you think will replace it?
Just curious what youre actually saying.

 

[Hay Dude]

I agree. I'll also add what others just flat-out fail to comprehend: economies of scale. Reduced output means lowered economies of scale. IF we're pushing beyond fossil fuels then it is CERTAIN that fossil fuel production will be more expensive, and at a negative economies of scale rate (not linear). MANY fossil fuel-derived products will become more expensive. Having plenty of oil has nothing to do with this, it's about demand, and I'd think that, given this thread highlights this very point, EVs are being pushed and will be displacing more and more ICE vehicles and thus reducing fossil fuel demand.

About inflation, it's not just fossil fuels that will see that inflation. Inflation to food and housing will put increased pressures on fossil fuel demand.

In the end "price" is meaningless. It's AFFORDABILITY that matters.

I expect to see diesel fuel at $15/gal before I'm done with my diesel cars: that cost is about $7.50/gal given my cars average 50+ mpg.

If diesel hits those prices, we will have people starving to death by the millions. Food will be unaffordable due to growing and shipping costs.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The move to EV'S or not is a historical decision.

Some seem to fear China's success but China's failure concerns me more.

50 years the fear was Japan was going to own all the farmland in Arkansas. Many USA business would be closed by July 4th should all China goods and services stop flowing on this Valentine's day.

The Japanese car makers are into EVs so means China will replace our Japanese ICEV's over the next 20 years.

Remember the danger of living in fear. The fears that we have often do not materialize and it is things that we did not have our eyes on that will totally take us out.

A real risk for those of us who have retired is that we will give up 50% of all our funds preparation for retirement due to inflation over the next 10 to 15 to 20 years. That is a real concern.

 

[Snobdds]

Ask those trying to destroy it. Not me.

Who again is trying to destroy it?

 

[Snobdds]

The move to EV'S or not is a historical decision.

Some seem to fear China's success but China's failure concerns me more.

50 years the fear was Japan was going to own all the farmland in Arkansas. Many USA business would be closed by July 4th should all China goods and services stop flowing on this Valentine's day.

The Japanese car makers are into EVs so means China will replace our Japanese ICEV's over the next 20 years.

Remember the danger of living in fear. The fears that we have often do not materialize and it is things that we did not have our eyes on that will totally take us out.

A real risk for those of us who have retired is that we will give up 50% of all our funds preparation for retirement due to inflation over the next 10 to 15 to 20 years. That is a real concern.

I've never seen someone so fearful of a hydrocarbons as you...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

If diesel hits those prices, we will have people starving to death by the millions. Food will be unaffordable due to growing and shipping costs.

Thanks for seeing the light.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I've never seen someone so fearful of a hydrocarbons as you...

Clearly you did not listen to the message.

 

[Snobdds]

Clearly you did not listen to the message.

I don't think anyone has watched one of your youtube videos yet.

 

[CobyRupert]

Chinese aggression? You know what they say about pointing a finger?
In my lifetime there’s only one country that’s at the top of the list for going around the world invading countries, toppling governments, and removing leaders. And it ain’t China. (Hint: Russia is a very distant second.) China’s too busy building 25,000 miles of high speed bullet trains, cities, canals, highways and other infrastructure that would blow the average American mind if they knew what actually goes on in other countries.
And who funded all that? American capitalistic greed did. Both at the corporate globalist manufacturing level and the Walmart shopper level.

 

[DieselBound]

Because you could have had the equivalent of 10 gallons of gasoline rather than just 1.

Or, you could have built your solar system for 1/10th the cost.

The cost of solar generated electricity depends on the time value of money. There is very little ongoing maintenance or repair cost.



Ethanol and hydrogen are the same sort of fool's errand. Neither is sustainable. Both require cheap energy from other sources to be anywhere close to economically viable.



"Solar and wind" are only a small part of the ingredients. The hardware to convert solar and wind to useable energy is the greatest consumer of resource. Then amortize this cost over its useful life.

The incremental cost of utility power generation is only about 1.5¢/kWh. Delivered to your home the cost is over 10¢ to pay for the generating facility and distribution grid.

Curious how quickly one forgets, "time to break even", when it is not convenient to one's argument.

Solar also isn't sustainable. Yes, the sun will burn out. Please include time frames and growth factors when using the word sustainable otherwise it's a meaningless word.

NOTE (more importantly): There are NOT an infinite amount of raw materials to go into making PV components- at SOME point there is a threshold in which the amount of energy required to extract more materials surpasses the amount of value/energy from those materials. This has nothing to do with what materials or for what purpose. It's simple logic. It's all about setting meaningful expectations, not allowing marketing hype to run us into another corner. And then there's the issue of what happens at the end of life of all these components: we really ought to be figuring this all up-front (we keep failing to do this and then wondering why things don't turn out like we thought).