Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Elon Musk has stated FSD is going to cost $100K when it works well because that is less than paying a driver 24 hours 7 days a week 365 days out of a year for a taxicab driver. He thinks FSD will have to be 10x safer than a human driver to fly.

When I was car shopping in 2017, I was considering a Tesla, because their Model 3 was "Coming soon!" Even back then, their website was marketing FSD in present tense language, as if it already existed.

I signed up for their newsletter, thinking I would get all the latest updates on how things are going with Model 3 delivery. Instead, all I received were advertisements to buy one of their current $100k cars. I eventually got tired of waiting, and I bought a car that exists.

I think Musk has done some impressive things, but I get tired of his marketing hype. When he has a product available, I'm willing to consider it. His marketing quite consistently over-commits and under-delivers.
 
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Years ago, the term Peak Oil was coined...... perhaps we've already passed Peak Reliability.......

IMHO we passed that point a long time ago. Most of the "improvements" in vehicles over the last 15-20 years has been gadgetry.
Some in the name of "safety", but gadgetry nonetheless.
 
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Was looking at this thread late last night after a very long week, with some of the following sloshing around my mind.... too tired to type meaningfully.....

Ironically, this morning, my laptop came up with a startup/crash screen I'd never seen before with Ubuntu.

Some examples with stone-age (relative to autonomous driving) tech......

ABS has been on-road for a long time. In the rust belt, you get jacking under the tone-ring, and breakage. "Old" days, ABS light comes on, you get to keep driving.

A # of years back, a buddy addressed that issue on a customer's Smart car that showed up at his shop. A really fair guy, he felt bad about the bill he handed the lady, because at the time here, the only way to source a part was to get a complete axle shaft from Benz. The reason it HAD to be fixed NOW - because the Stability Control was missing the signal from that wheel, the lady was driving around all the time with most of the brakes automatically applied.

FFwd a few years.... a regular customer stops by to see my buddy. He'd fixed old cars for them for a lot of years, and knew they had finally bought a new vehicle - asked how they liked the new car. Customer says.... "Got a story". Husband at work, first day with the new car, wife backs it into the garage, and tweaks a side-view mirror. He gets home, she's crying..... Hey, no biggie, I'll take care of it tomorrow.

Jumps in the car next morning, turns key. Nada. Car had to be flat-decked to a dealer, expensive mirror replaced, then the Collision Avoidance system had to be calibrated, before the car would fire up.

Vehicle happened to be a Subaru, but could be anything today..... Big fun, with a kayak on top, after driving 12 hours to get to the middle of nowhere..... or just slide off the edge of a snowy rural road and lightly tweak that mirror on a tree..... good tires and AWD won't do much for you then.

My biggest issue with added-complexity is when what should be a Secondary (or less) function takes down the Primary function. Engineers know the fault-term for that situation, but, no matter..... It may well be Legal that decides what Doesn't Happen....


"With collision avoidance off-line, we don't want somebody jumping in the car, getting in an accident, then claiming they didn't know...."

Years ago, the term Peak Oil was coined...... perhaps we've already passed Peak Reliability.......

A good friend of mine ditched an ML350 a while back, after even the dealer admitted the model's (nothing to do with Autonoumous Driving) electronics were flaky.

Rgds, D.



Almost sounds like they should have utilized priority system logic like was used in the Apollo missions with the AGC

The Apollo Guidance Computer was a priority-interrupt system capable of handling several jobs at one time,
A priority-interrupt system is always executing the one job with the highest priority; it then moves on to others of equal or lower priority in its queue.

Subaru and others could have had the logic make the user input an override check on the display with the user agreement displayed that safety functions are off line and any liability is on the user but that primary functions are still available like moving the vehicle.

1202 could be the broken mirror code:D
 
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INVESTIGATION: Exclusive: GM, Ford knew about climate change 5 years ago -- Monday, October 26, 22 -- www.eenews.net

INVESTIGATION
Exclusive: GM, Ford knew about climate change 50 years ago
Maxine Joselow, E&E News reporterPublished: Monday, October 26, 2020

With GM and Ford in need of being bailed out sooner or later and some calling for gas and oil industry limitations the timing of this piece about the EV false start is interesting.

when do we blame ourselves for the demand? stop using oil and then companies will stop producing it. stop buying huge vehicles, and the mpg will go up / they will stop being produced etc. we love to shift blame to "big whatever" even when we know full well what we are doing as individuals.
 
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when do we blame ourselves for the demand? stop using oil and then companies will stop producing it. stop buying huge vehicles, and the mpg will go up / they will stop being produced etc. we love to shift blame to "big whatever" even when we know full well what we are doing as individuals.

I did not tell them to deny the climate change that they were creating.
 
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Our society is comprised of energy hogs. Too bad, apparently there are energy alternatives available if we had just focused on that a long , long time ago. Instead we just gave in to big business and this low hanging energy fruit, while the average Joe focused their lives on very meaningless or damaging pursuits.

It's sad when ones status in a given society is determined by how much energy they use. Whether it's extensive air travel, large bath tubs or driving some land yaught.

Saw a very interesting financial documentary, suggesting that neither GM or FORD will be around much longer, both with unsustainable debt.
 
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Tesla finally has completed the ground up new Full Self Driving (FSD) hardware/software solution and released it to a few customers who are first line beta testers in the USA. No road markings are required just like they are not required for human drivers.

Keep in mind FSD on does not mean Tesla is now shipping new cars without steering wheels as they will do some day. The driver has to keep touching the steering wheel and is responsible for controlling the vehicle at all times.

There are several videos out but I like this one that a Tesla owner in the UK has edited by reversing it from time to time so we can see what is going on in real time from the 8 cameras, sensors, etc.

2;).4.11 "Full Self Driving BETA" In depth review & reaction | Tesla Autopilot Software - YouTube

I gather the display box in the upper left corner of the display will be removed in the first post beta version. It does show how much high speed computing is being done in real time with all of the real time data being collected running down the road at max speed limit speeds.

Dojo is the super computer that will perfect Tesla's FSD feature in the years to come.

1 Tesla Autopilot, Full Self Driving, & Dojo Development Updates From Elon Musk

Want to access Tesla's ML technology? It might soon be possible

Was does Dojo do? It can take the daily self driving videos uploaded from each car daily and fine tune the FSD software performance and report hardware deficiencies back to Tesla. I expect this means if 100 Tesla cars make the same left hand turn at the same intersection Dojo will tweak the speed and steering angles based on the corrections made by most drivers or something on that order.

Tesla is the only auto maker that is currently providing an in-house hardware, software and implementation solution that can drive on any road even it I was just built yesterday.
 
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Almost sounds like they should have utilized priority system logic like was used in the Apollo missions with the AGC

The Apollo Guidance Computer was a priority-interrupt system capable of handling several jobs at one time,
A priority-interrupt system is always executing the one job with the highest priority; it then moves on to others of equal or lower priority in its queue.

Subaru and others could have had the logic make the user input an override check on the display with the user agreement displayed that safety functions are off line and any liability is on the user but that primary functions are still available like moving the vehicle.

1202 could be the broken mirror code:D

Priority Inversion. Can and does happen..... IIRC they just about lost one of the Mars Rovers because of Priority Inversion.

Priority inversion - Wikipedia

Obviously, I'm a Walk B4 Run guy....... The first vehicle manufacturer that gets their act together on this simple task - program the car to shut down with Low Oil Pressure, with an in-dash-screen simple ByPass Low Oil Shutdown Authorization - may get my attention.

I realize this ^ is not relevant to EVs (sorry Gale)...... but understanding the risk of Priority Inversion is important in any computer controlled system.

Rgds, D.
 
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I just ordered a couple of VanMoof e-bikes for my wife and me. We test rode them downtown Seattle for fun a few weeks ago and I am going to surprise the Mrs. for xmas. They are quite sleek and fun. Modern design from the Netherlands. A very long waiting list and I know I can turn around and sell them at our cost because of demand around here if we have a change of heart.

Ride the future with our Electric Bikes | VanMoof

I have been interested in a e-bikes since I sold my road bike. Let me know how you like it. They have no test drives in Texas. I'm also a little concerned about the electronics repair since there are no dealers around. Would the entire bike have to be shipped back?
This review is very comprehensive, do you have anything to add?
VanMoof S3 Review: No Sweat! - YouTube
 
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