Baling hay with a CUT

MikePA · Jul 18, 2002

According to this <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.chuckstractor.com/h-balers.htm>site</A> the Hesston 540 makes bales that are 47" wide by up to 51" in diameter. The minimum recommended hp is 45 hp, so the L4310 at 45.3 hp just qualifies, unless the equipment manufacturers hp recommendations are at the PTO.

cowboydoc · Jul 18, 2002

Can anyone give me the site or the pamphlet that is in. My friend would like to see it and send it kubota as his kubota was rated above the hp to run that square baler. I think you guys may have saved him. I don't see how they can deny his warranty if they are saying that that tractor can pull a round baler. I'm pretty sure Mike that those hp ratings are for pto. I know that's how most ag. equipment is rated.

MikePA · Jul 19, 2002

<font color=blue>I'm pretty sure Mike that those hp ratings are for pto. I know that's how most ag. equipment is rated. </font color=blue>

The L4310 is only rated at 37.5 hp at the PTO so it would be underpowered for running the 540. The Hesston 530, which can make 39" x 54" (550 lbs) bales, only needs 30 PTO hp.

Followup note: I sent an email to the Hesston dealer and they confirmed cowboydoc's supposition..the horsepower figures for the balers are PTO horsepower and not engine horsepower. So, an L4310 is over 16% underpowered to run a Hesston 540 baler. I searched the Kubota web site for the word 'baler' and the only place it's referenced in relation to a tractor model is with the M4900/M5700 tractors.

ddl · Jul 19, 2002

hp is not the only measurement that is needed in determining load on a pto. The torque is very important which deals with size of shafts used in the pto drive line. If a pto drive line is not designed for heavy loads, shafts could be twisted off with the applied horsepower. I still think the pto should have stalled before damage was done. Did they taske the tractor apart to look at the damage before they made their decisions.

Dan L

AuCivil · Jul 19, 2002

Sorry but I don't have a scanner to scan a picture of the L4310 with the round baler. If I can find one I will.

The picture is in a kubota sales booklet/brochure labled "KUBOTA DIESEL TRACTOR L3010/L3410/L3710/L4310/L4610. On the back of the booklet it says "2001 Kubota Corporation". I got the booklet at a local kubota dealer within the last 2 months.

The tractor in the picture is the L4310 (appears to be HST but there is a glare) and the baler is a Hesston 540. Also there is a round bale behind the baler and the tractor is on a wind-row (sp) of hay. So the picture shows the tractor as baling not just moving the baler.

Hope this helps.

cowboydoc · Jul 19, 2002

Dan,
I'm not sure of the specifics of how much they tore down or what. He had just called and told me what had happened.

Aucivil,
Thanks for the info. I will pass it along.

JohnMiller3 · Jul 19, 2002

Re: Baling hay with a CUT-Kubota L4310 Round bales

From Kubota's Sept. 2000 "L-series" Brochure "Centerfold"

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.tractorbynet.com/forumfiles/47-174963-KubotaL4310HSTBalingHay-cropped.jpg>Kubota L4310 HST w/Cab -round baling with a Hesston 540..</A>

cowboydoc · Jul 19, 2002

Re: Baling hay with a CUT-Kubota L4310 Round bales

Thanks John. I know Bob will be real happy to see that!! That tractor isn't considered a utility tractor is it? When I talked to Bob last he said that Kubota told him he had to have a utility tractor to run the baling equipment.

MikePA · Jul 19, 2002

Re: Baling hay with a CUT-Kubota L4310 Round bales

<font color=blue>That tractor isn't considered a utility tractor is it?</font color=blue>

The "L" series of tractors are considered Compact. The "M" series are Utility/Ag tractors. All this according to the Kubota web site.

JohnMiller3 · Jul 19, 2002

Re: Baling hay with a CUT-Kubota L4310 Round bales

Hi Richard...

I think your friend may still have a problem with Kubota... with it only being a L3710 and probably no cab (less bulk wt)... how much can you possibly expect a 30 PTO hp to do...?

It's possible the Kubota PTO broke from some unknown problem to us and now they are "using" the baler as a way out to avoid a warranty issue...? No offense intended... but Don't know...? & may never know... but I don't think I'd be foolish enough to use a baler on a 30 PTO hp compact tractor... /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif
(that's an expensive lesson for sure...)