Buying Advice Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

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northSun

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I've been mowing our 8 acres of fields (mixed grass, wild roses, willow and poplar saplings) 1-2x/year with a Honda HRC216 commercial 21" bagging lawn mower and using the resulting coarse clippings for mulch on the garden. It works well except that it takes way too much time.

Time for an upgrade. My wife is telling me to buy something! The goal is something that will do the same job very reliably, but much faster and hopefully a little more often. The fields are all sloping and a bit rough (though not too rough for the 21" Honda set to max mowing height, which is 4"). Durability under hard use is very important, as is reliable bagging this kind of taller/rougher material (remember the small saplings and rose bushes). We are 10 hours from the nearest Kubota dealer, and no closer to any others. I generally try to buy commercial/industrial stuff rather than residential as it seems I use equipment hard (if I buy a wooden handle rake, I will break it...).

We are considering Kubota zero-turns, and not sure what we need to look for to get the reliable performance and durability for this use.

We've also looked at John Deeres a bit, but orange--at least in CUTs--seems to be more popular with the neighbours.

Is there anything else we should consider, or would a Kubota zero turn make sense? Which one(s)? Would you go diesel? I'm thinking perhaps the extra torque would be a good thing, though it does take us up to more than double the cost of the base zero turn.

For other jobs (clearing 1 km / 0.6 mi driveway of 6"-3' of snow at a time, brush hogging, maintaining driveway and accompanying ditches, moving dirt & rocks, lifting heavy stuff (2500-3000 lbs) off trailer occasionally and moving it around, making wood chips, etc), we are leaning towards a CTL. A skid-steer would work, except that we have a lot of steep terrain (2200' water line trail up 250' elevation to creek with most of the elevation gain in probably 500' among other things). We haven't ruled out a larger tractor to do everything. But we'd like to avoid a snow blower as far as possible as we have a lot of rocks falling on the lower half of our driveway (cut into a bank to come up side of bluff 200' above road) and replacing shear pins in our BCS Berta snow blower sometimes happens several times in as many minutes). Tractors don't seem like they'd work great to scoop snow off to the side without getting stuck in or sliding over the side. I'm very comfortable operating skid-steers (spent hours in them as a teenager and became a fast operator even in tight spaces--could use the machine to do stuff other people would do by hand). The XBoom option for a mini-excavator looks interesting, but I think the slow travel speed might be an issue. Also, I'm not sure the auxiliary hydraulics would be up to the tasks of brush hogging and possibly snow blowing.

In summary, the right tractor might be able to do everything (though it looks like it would need to be large to lift 2500-3000 lb pallets off trailer). We are leaning towards a CTL (Kubota?) and zero-turn (Kubota, want a heavy duty one) at the moment. Is there such a thing as a bagging mower for a CTL/skid-steer? If so, maybe we could skip the zero-turn.

All thoughts/recommendations welcome. I'd rather second guess these purchases before than after buying.
 
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Re: Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

For all the jobs & the slopes/landforms that you described, I'd be wanting something with a low-low CG, 4WD & a Class 1 3pt hitch. Maybe one of the larger BX models would cover all the bases? For loading/unloading trailers - maybe a permanent or knock-down loading dock with a gently sloped ramp/approach would allow you to take that requirement out of the tractor equation?
 
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Re: Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

Thanks Baby Grand. I have looked at the BX TLBs. The loading/unloading issue is one I've puzzled over. It seems the lifting capacities on tractors are not very high and getting a neighbour from 15 km away to come to load/unload my trailer is getting old. I don't care about running very close to tipping weight for this application, as it's a rare job (maybe a couple times a year) and the highest I expect to lift is about 3' on/off trailer. As an example, years ago at my job I used to load 3800 lb bulks sacks on/off semi-truck deck overs with a Case 85 XT skid steer. It would just barely do it without tipping and you had to be careful, but as long as you moved slow and then carried low it worked. That standard would be acceptable to me, but it still looks like I'd need a large CUT, or, possibly a full size utility tractor just to lift a 3100 lb pallet of concrete (I just realized the lifting range I specified was on the low side--probably more like 3000-4000 lb).

I'm trying to wrap my mind around how a ramp would help a smaller tractor load/unload the trailer. What am I missing? Oh wait, you said out of the equation. Are you thinking a pallet dolly? In this case, I'm loading/unloading to locations around the property--nowhere I could use a hand dolly. Please let me know if I've missed something.
 
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Re: Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

I would suggest a 4 x 4 riding mower and a collection system, front blower should speed things up. A good skid steer in the hands of a good operator can get a lot done.
 
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Re: Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

Thanks jenkinsph. I hadn't given the zero turns much thought; just understood they were a slick way to mow. But your comment about a 4x4 riding mower with collection system got me thinking. Only two wheels with traction would almost certainly be a problem on some of our terrain.

I'm still leaning pretty heavily towards a CTL (skid-steer abilities + much better stability and much harder to get stuck) and a mower. I'll leave out the zero-turns. I read somewhere that John Deere's 7 Iron deck and Scags Velocity decks are supposed to be the best at cutting grass in any condition (tall, wet/dry). It sounds like I should look at John Deere 4x4 lawn tractors with 7-iron decks. Are there any other options you guys would recommend?

I still think with all that hydraulic power available, someone should make a bagging mower for a CTL... but I think most people think bagging to avoid clippings on a manicured lawn--where a CTL is probably not the vehicle of choice to run the mower. I just want to collect green mulch as fast as reasonably possible while maintaining our ~8 acres of fields. If anyone knows of a skid-steer attachment that would do this job, please fill me in.
 
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Re: Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

northSun - unloading 2500 - 3000# pallets is a tall order for anything that's going to make a satisfactory mowing machine. Not saying there isn't a single machine that can do it, just not aware of it. Not knowing your budget, I was trying to take that requirement out of the equation, which makes a lot of machines look suitable. I ended up having to get a dedicated mower for around the house in addition to a larger tractor that could handle the 3pt implements that I needed.

We have an old G5200 mower that we hook up to a Cyclone Rake. After I brush hog the field with the L3240, we run the mower over it & suck up the clippings with the Cyclone Rake and use the clippings for mulch in the gardens. This works very well and allows us to collect up a large volume of mulch with a reasonable amount of effort.

To handle 2500 - 3000# pallets, I'd use my 3pt forks on the larger tractor, but that only works for a very limited lift height - certainly not 3 feet. Hence the idea to build a loading dock of some sort. Of course, that assumes that you can bring the trailer to the dock, which it sounds like you cannot do, so not much of a solution for you.
 
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Re: Bagging Mower For Fields (no manicured lawn) & Something Else for Everything Else

Do you have some long term plans to use the balance of the 8 acres? That would make a difference in what is the best way to go. Also curious why you need so much mulch for the garden, is this for commercial growing?

Something to consider is there are collection systems you can fit to many garden tractors thru utility tractors to aid in gathering the clippings. I just mentioned the garden tractor because I have an MC519 cart to use with the x749 which holds about 19 bushels and dumps easily. While this is an improvement over a small push mower bagger there are some collection systems that have much more capacity.

Moving pallets of concrete sacks and/or pavers is something I have to do occasionally. Paver pallets weigh about 3,500 lbs. and are more than my 110tlb can lift, but is within the range of the Kubota M59tlb. What I do since it is infrequent use or need is use a second pallet to split up the loads to make it work, I restack the pallets so that I have two heavy pallets converted to three pallets which my tractor can handle.

Something to consider if you have plans for the 8 acres would be the Kubota M59 tlb which would give you the fel capacity you need, a 60 hp tractor for 3ph implements and a backhoe if that is a concern. This might be the best machine to have for an all in one unit.
 
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I still can't believe you mow 8 acres with a 21" push mower. That's a full time job, with stopping to empty clippings! My Toro 21" bag fills in 10 minutes if the lawn is high.
Jim
 
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Why do you need to bag the field? An all terrain forklift is the best machine for lifting 4,000 pounds, but is pretty useless for the other jobs. The city has a large New Holland tractor that pulls a 15 foot batwing finish mower. It is around 100 hp, and might lift 4,000 pounds. Another thing to consider is a tractor loader rated to lift 4,000 pounds probably can't lift a pallet weighing 4,000 pounds because the weight is a long way out from the pins.
 
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If you wanted to open your tractor options, they make 3 point forklist masts which would probbaly lift 4000# with a smaller tractor than would be needed to lift that much weight with a loader.
I see them on Craigslist from time to time for $500-$2500.

Aaron Z
 

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