Backhoe

[Kubota 46]

I am looking into put a 3 pt hitch backhoe with pto hydraulic pump on a Kubota L2501 but my dealer said i need a subframe is there anyway around putting a subframe on cause once i am finished 1 part i want to hook up box scrape to level up the ground. What type of backhoe could i used so i don't tear up anything and still be able to unhook quickly and get back to scraping the ground thanks

 

[4570Man]

A subframe is by far the better of the two. The make 3point backhoes or at least they used to. I can unhook my backhoe and re hook it in under 10 minutes. When I timed it it was closer to 7 minutes. That was without hooking and unhooking the 3 point arms. Add in another 10 minutes to do that and the time still isn't that bad.

 

[Kubota 46]

Woodmax makes 3 different sizes of 3 pt hitch backhoes so i know they still make them

 

[mguitas]

Better off getting a subframe mount, an the bh 77 hoe that goes with it.

 

[tman1020]

I would think the subframe would be easier to take on and off than the 3 point. I can drop mine in 2 to 3 min and install in about 10 -15 min. The 3 points normally have extra bracing and pump hookup to to deal with.

 

[Sammy3700]

My opinion is sub frame or nothing!! I searched a lot before I bought my backhoe and saw plenty of broken tractors. Had the privilege of seeing a JD 790 broken in half at the bell housing with a Woods BH 7500 mounted on 3pt. You have the same frame tractor as mine (L3700SU) and dad's L3800HST) we both have the sub frames and one BH77. I agree with the others 10 minutes flat you can change from hoe to lift arms.

 

[IH782]

Why do you want a 3pt backhoe instead of a sub frame mount?

 

[Grandad4]

I am looking into put a 3 pt hitch backhoe with pto hydraulic pump on a Kubota L2501 but my dealer said i need a subframe is there anyway around putting a subframe on cause once i am finished 1 part i want to hook up box scrape to level up the ground. What type of backhoe could i used so i don't tear up anything and still be able to unhook quickly and get back to scraping the ground thanks

As the others say, having the subframe type backhoe does not prevent you from dropping the backhoe and putting a 3 point implement on the tractor; it is a pretty straightforward changeover that doesn't take a lot of time or work. I regularly switch between backhoe and box blade for dirt work on my tractor.

The thing is, the 3 point mounts are intended for implements that are pulled and are designed to raise and lower. You don't want to do any of those things with a backhoe... you want it mounted as securely as possible to the tractor and you want to keep the extreme forces from the backhoe from bending or breaking the tractor. So trying to use the 3 point linkages to hold a backhoe is basically a patch job. A 3 point backhoe is fine for light duty work, but it's far from a perfect (or even good), way to mount a backhoe. Kubota stopped offering a 3 point type backhoe for that reason.

Your dealer is right, but you needn't worry about not being able to use other attachments just because of the subframe.

 

[Kubota 46]

Why do you want a 3pt backhoe instead of a sub frame mount?

I heard that it takes a long time to hook up and i want to be able to change from backhoe to landscape rake to box blade rather quickly to clean up my land where i want to build a home on

 

[buickanddeere]

Why the expense and complication of a pto pump instead of the tractor's hydraulics ? Your Kubota pumps an entirely respectable 5gpm which is lots for a backhoe in that class.
In case of doubt purchase a hoe a couple of sizes larger than what you think is required . The added power to dig through clay, pry out rocks and the ability to drag a stuck tractor clear of mud makes bigger better.

 

[loosenuts]

I have a regular backhoe (Case Super E) but from what I have seen, the 3pt hoes are more for bigger tractors with heavy lift arms. The Kubota subframe system is very nice and does come off/ on in a few minutes.

 

[bdhsfz6]

I heard that it takes a long time to hook up and i want to be able to change from backhoe to landscape rake to box blade rather quickly to clean up my land where i want to build a home on

I had an old Woods 3 pt mount backhoe on my L3010. It took FAR longer to remove it than the sub frame mounted BH92 on my MX5800. The pin alignment would shift on the bracing after each use and make installation / removal difficult. After several bent pins and twisted linkage, I discovered what others here have said. A 3 pt hoe is NOT for heavy duty work. My advice is get a subframe mounted hoe. The time factor doesn't exist.

 

[Jay4200]

I am looking into put a 3 pt hitch backhoe with pto hydraulic pump on a Kubota L2501 but my dealer said i need a subframe is there anyway around putting a subframe on cause once i am finished 1 part i want to hook up box scrape to level up the ground. What type of backhoe could i used so i don't tear up anything and still be able to unhook quickly and get back to scraping the ground thanks

My 9' Woods BH w/ subframe mount connects to the rear axle using a mounting piece that replaces the 3pt arms, changing from BH to 3pt requires putting the 3pt arms back in place. That IS the least of the worries when putting on or taking off the backhoe (or "doing the nasty", as I call it). Don't know about the newer ones - they seem to have been re-engineered to be much less of a nightmare to mount/dismount sometime over the past 20 years.

That being said, my backhoe can fling my L4200 around like so much tissue paper. I can't imagine that it would survive very long with a 3pt mount.

 

[scdeerslayer]

In case of doubt purchase a hoe a couple of sizes larger than what you think is required . The added power to dig through clay, pry out rocks and the ability to drag a stuck tractor clear of mud makes bigger better.

Won't do much good because the light weight of the tractor means you're just using that extra power to throw the tractor around instead of getting production out of it.

 

[buickanddeere]

Won't do much good because the light weight of the tractor means you're just using that extra power to throw the tractor around instead of getting production out of it.

Take a smaller bite. Better to have more hoe than tractor and be able to drag the machine out of a being stuck.

 

[Grandad4]

I heard that it takes a long time to hook up and i want to be able to change from backhoe to landscape rake to box blade rather quickly to clean up my land where i want to build a home on

That's bad information. The subframe type of BH is actually easier to hook up than the 3 point type.

 

[IH782]

I heard that it takes a long time to hook up and i want to be able to change from backhoe to landscape rake to box blade rather quickly to clean up my land where i want to build a home on

Well, whomever you heard it from didn't know what they were talking about, 99.9% of sub frame backhoes can be removed in under 5 min., then all you have to do is put the 3pt arms on and go.

 

[4570Man]

Won't do much good because the light weight of the tractor means you're just using that extra power to throw the tractor around instead of getting production out of it.

Wrong. First off when the tractor moves you've already done more work than the weaker hoe did. Backing off and you'll accomplish the same result. Next with improved method you can better harness the power. My backhoe will easily thrash the tractor around if I'm trying to dig on the far side of a hole by pushing down and pulling back. If I dig on the close side by lifting up I can easily make out the hydraulics before the tractor moves.

 

[newbury]

I've a Woods BH70X on a Kubota B7610 with a sub-frame kit. I'm tentatively going to put it on my M4700 using a Woods Saf-T-Lock kit and an enhanced top link.

It took hours of phone calls until I finally got through to someone at Woods that told me that I could get the Woods Saf-T-Lock kit and an enhanced top link designed for a Woods BH90 and it should fit and work well. Note that the Woods BH70-X is big for the B7610. I've grabbed tree limbs and lifted the tractor w/FEL attached.

Routinely I sling the B7610 around when I'm using the BH. I'm pretty sure w/o the frame I would have broken something.

As others have written the hook up/take apart is fairly quick.

Go with a subframe.

 

[buickanddeere]

Sub frame on my 1640 for the 10A backhoe is under 15 minutes for install and 10 minutes to remove . That incluides removing the three point hitch arms and sway blocks.