attachment for cutting brush alongside trail?

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I would consider any chain saws, other cutters attached to the side of the tractor in some makeshift manner to be too dangerous. On my BX2200 I have a GearMore 42" heavy duty rough cutter that can be backed into all kinds of difficult spots and will cut 2" sapplings with ease. It covers more area with much more ease of operation than the DR style cutters and you can get one for less than $700 which is much cheaper than the DR kind.

You can find small offset flail mowers to fit the 3ph of a small tractor. You then won't have to back up. Downside is a cost of around $3K.

3ph mounted Sicklebar mowers could be a possibility, but I imagine it would extend further off the trail than you want.
 
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Does anyone know of a flail mower that will work with a smaller tractor? I don't know what a sickle bar mower is, but I want to reach into the brush, so if it can, I am interested.

I had thought about a tow behind brush cutter to work off the 3pt hitch, and that may be the ticket. I really like the idea of an offset mower, if they make one that will work with the jd4100. I don't use the 3pt hitch for anything right now.


Why do you say the rough cutters from swisher aren't as good as the "brush hog types" what is the difference, or are you referring to the brand?

If I do go with an offset brush-hogger, which brands offer good value/durability for the money. I don't think I need a self powered unit, but if ti worked better than using the pto, I would consider it.
 
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<font color="blue"> What type of trimmer are you using? Can you recommend a good model if I am going to go that route? It sounds like the trails you are clearing are similar to what I am facing. The actual trails I can cut with the tractor, its along the edges that I need to thin.
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i use the husqvarna brush cutter (model 235 R). it's a harness type, very easy to use and not very hard on the body because the harness does most of the work.

http://www.usa.husqvarna.com/

i love this machine. easy to start. easy to use, interchangeable blades (and string trimming capabilities). i use it for the same task you're looking to accomplish with minimal effort.

pf
 
/ attachment for cutting brush alongside trail? #25  
duke, I don't know what you're dealing with over there, but we've started a similar project digging out invasive honeysuckle to "liberate" some of our old apple trees. There's plenty of evidence of previous attempts to hack stuff back, but it's all resprouted. It's a little tight with the tractor, but the toothbar is doing a pretty good job of getting stuff out by the roots. It will take a lot longer to do it this way, but once it's done, I'm hoping we won't have to do it again.
 
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duke,

I think you were referring to my comment about the swishers not being as good as a brush hog. It just seemed to me that the most rugged alternative would be a pto powered brush hog, but the self powered swishers might be a better alternative for you since it sounds like you have a smaller tractor that might not be able to handle a hog adequately. I have seen pull behind self powered mowers like this advertised for pulling behind rider lawn mowers and 4 wheelers so I thought this might be best for your smaller tractor as it would not tax the engine for operation. I would definitely go with the second link I sent with the rough cut deck as opposed to the first which appears in hindsight to be a finish-style deck.

Personally, when I can't use a tractor for the job I have a bachtold that is a walk behind power assist that can tear the crap out of anything. I attached a picture I found of the bachtold on a website for you. It can handle small trees up to 3" if you take your time. Really gives you a workout on the hills though /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
 

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Duke,

The walk behind cutters are different from the 3ph rough cutters in several ways:

Though self-propelled, you can feel like you're wrestling a gorilla when trying to steer in and out of corners and over little bumps. If it's bumpy AND curvy, it's even worse. On a hst tractor with 3ph pto driven rc, you have very fine control over the movement and can sit calmly rather than fighting the machine.

The self-propelled units just have an oversized one piece lawn mower blade. The unit can stall much more easily than a brush hog. The 3ph pto rc has a spindle pan. On this pan are attached 2 extremely thick, heavy blades which look like the mother of all meat cleavers on steroids. The 2 blades are opposite each other and are attached to the pan by pivot pins. The walk behind depends on direct "at that moment" power from the engine. The 3ph pto rc builds up a tremendous amount of kinetic energy in its heavy blades. Energy is being put into the blades in "real time", but the tremendous energy already in the blades is where the greatest force is. When the 3ph pto rc blade hits something with great resistance, the pivot pin allows the blade to slide off at an angle, then whiplash back out. The pan does not slow down. On the walk behind, if the one solid blade hits something with real resistance, the entire driveline back to the engine begins to slow and the engine can partially or fully stall. I can run over a stand of 2" saplings with my BX2200 and 42" GearMore rc and not lose 1 rpm.

Your 17 pto hp. put into a 42" 3ph pto rc will cut a wider path than the walk behind. You can get a 3ph pto rc at 36", 42", 48", 60", 72" and on up in 1 ft increments. I'd say 36", 42", or 48" would be appropriate for your combination of tractor size and your need to back the unit into small spaces. In an open field of hay, the 60" might be O.K. for you.

My 42" GearMore was under $700. I'm sure you know the price on the DR and Swisher, etc.

You already have a diesel engine as a power source. Do you want to maintain another gasoline engine that you use once every 1 or 2 years. Gas engines that sit idly are a pain to maintain and prep for use after sitting long periods.

The typical rc does not come in offset positions. Those that do are much larger than your tractor acommodates and are pricey. Small flail mowers are hard to find, but they are available. While browsing last night, I saw a 47" one that required less than 17 hp. Most flail mowers can be offset.

A sicklebar looks like one comb on top of another, except there are sharp blades rather than teeth. The 2 "combs" slide back and forth with all the teeth making numerous scissor like cuts. Troy-Built has one that's walk behind & self propelled (another gorilla wrestler). On a tractor, the blade extends from the 3ph perpendicularly to the side. Most are 8 to 10 feet long though. You see them on big tractors cutting the roadside grass sometimes. I don't think you can find one for the dimensions and size you need.
 
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These guys have a small mower that'd be ideal for that:

<font color="blue">McConnel Products </font>
Look for the Swingtrim...is suitable to fit onto the three point linkage (Cat 1) of compact tractors of 15hp and above 550kg, and will cut brush and small trees up to 25mm diameter Which is like a sickle bar on a boom. OR maybe the Power Arm...PA27 also for a 15HP PTO tractor. It is a flail type mower on a boom.
These are under the "Compact Hedge & Verge Mowers" link.
phil
 
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Great site. Those are interesting products and they meet his horsepower requirements.
 
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I let one of these slip by me on eBay a couple of weeks ago. I've been kicking myself since.
 
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Hey froggy,
Did you happen to look at the PDF file? If you study the machine a while, it looks like it could adjusted hydraulically to clip the ceiling of a hedge! (Or arbor.)
Cool stuff! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
It may be difficult to find a dealer here in the colonies, though.
That's either an opportunity or a pain in the @ss /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif depending on how you look at it!
 
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McConnel sure has some interesting looking equipment. I've seen equipment like it working when in Europe. Just wondering what the shipping charges would be to bring it here from England?

Are there any American dealers? I checked on their website and it doesn't look like they are over here. Too bad since there are a lot of CUT machines on the other side of the Atlantic.
 
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Alamo Industries carries the SwingTrim. Careful....you can get really excited about this attachment until you find out that it is about $8,000.00.
 
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See dukenyc?

TBN can track down just about anything but the <font color="green">GREEN</font> /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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dukenyc,

From your location and your description it sounds like you want to control hawthorn. A viscous looking shrub, 3 inch long thorns, grows about 15' tall, grows best in damp areas, and flowers in springs producing small fruits. Ruffed grouse and rabbits love them. If that’s what you’re dealing with they aren't too tough. Only the tips of the thorns are hard the rest of the shaft is flexible. They grow like weeds at my cabin in the Adirondacks.

For years we've just mowed the smaller bushes, up to about 3', with lawn tractors and I can't recall them ever puncturing the tires. I wouldn’t intentionally drive a tire through them, but after even a light duty mower chews on them the thorns are history. When they get taller I put on a heavy canvas coat and break out a chainsaw. KiotiJohn's suggestion of backing into them with the cutter would work well for the smaller bushes, up to the cutter's rating. The larger stuff could be pulled out with a loader, or just cut down with a chainsaw.
 
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Wow, I am blown away by all the responses. This thread has really been helpful. The swingarm is just about exactly what I need, but I am not sure I can come up with $8,000 for such a specialized piece of equipment. If I could find one from another source that was more reasonable, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

I will probably use a combination of the techniques listed above. A pole saw is a good idea for some branches I want to trim off the apple trees, so it will see soem double duty. I definately need to get a string trimmer for yard work anyway, so that will be used (I just need to get one good enough to accomodate a blade) . I had also planned on getting a roughcutter, and at around $700, it is affordable (alot cheaper than the belly mower on the tractor now). Lastly I am adding an FEl for other tasks, so maybe it will help out some.

One question, what exactly is a tooth bar? Is this something that mounts on the FEL, or is it someting that rear mounts off the 3ph. Any input on good choices for the string trimmer, pole saw, chainsaw and rough cutter is helpful as well.

I really appreciate all the responses. Thank you.
 
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A toothbar is a device that mounts to the lower lip of the bucket on the front end loader. It typically has a series of "teeth" spaced about 4" apart and each is about 1" wide and extend out about 4" in front of the cutting edge. They typically cost about $300 to $400 and typically are installed by 2 bolts that attach through the sides of the bucket.

Basically they make the cutting edge of the bucket a super cutting edge the same way a serrated knife blade makes cutting a tomato easier.

See this thread for pictures of a toothbar working:
TOOTHBAR IN ACTION
 
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Re: Pole saws, chain saws, etc.

Make it orange of some shade. I am a big fan of both Husqvarna and Stihl equipment. I have some of both and wouldn't buy anything else in a small engine tool.

Take a close look at Stihl's new interchangeable head system. It's pricey, but it is cheaper than buying a pole saw and a string trimmer and a brush cutter. If I had not already invested in a top quality Husky string trimmer, I would have gone that route last year when I went shopping for a pole saw.

Don't underbuy on your chain saw either. A small saw looks so nice in the store and feels so good in your arms....until you start tackling some serious cutting and then it is like digging a ditch with a tablespoon. Both Stihl and Husky have mid line saws with "Farm" or "Ranch" in the model name. That's about where I would suggest you look. I have a Husky #55 that I have abused for 15 years, and it still starts on the third or fourth pull of the rope every single time.
 
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jmc, I have a Stihl FS110R trimmer that I bought the hedgetrimmer attachment for. The salesman told me the very same thing, "anything that you can fit between the teeth it will cut". Well, it could not handle some of the brush I was trying to trim back and a lot of it was less than 1/2" thick. I took it back to the store. However, the pole pruner (chainsaw on a stick) attachment is fantastic. I cut down some fairly good size trees with that thing and a lot of briar bushes.

I'm sure the hedge trimmer attachment would work great for exactly was it is made for, hedges, not tough to cut brush and briars.
 
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Viking65,

Thanks for hedge trimmer report. I was considering buying one of their dedicated hedge trimmers with a gas engine but it probably would have similiar limitations.

John
 
 

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