Are there enough used CUTs out there?

   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #71  
The fact that very low hours machines are competing for new machines with low financing and warranty is what makes them a hard sell except at unfavourable prices to the seller. I found that out the hard way once. Want value from a tractor and you have to put a lot of hours on it or keep it for a good long while.

I mean, same with trucks. I have had my 08 Duramax since new with around 200KMS. NOW, that initial depreciation, used car fans talk about, is meaningless. The truck without having had any issues was well priced transportation amortised, and is still worth pretty good money.
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #72  
Im not sure new used tractors are really holding value. Nothing that is 2-3 years old is worth around 10% less than what new cost, that really seems to be the going rate anything within the 2-3 even 4 year old range is only about 10% less than new maybe 15%. I think its more of financing demanding that pricing. You see it in boats too. You get all of these people buying tractors for 0% or so spread out 6-7-8 years. Again like I said loans aren't bad. But what happens is 2 years down the road they are selling because they really dont need it, trading in etc. At that point they went 0 down or little down and 2 years in still owe a lot. So a lot of the pricing you see is that people want to get their money back, to me its not true value of machine.

This is exactly why, only reason I know is because that's what I have been told on several occasions when looking at tractors. I ask if they have room to move on the price and usually the response is "I'm already listing it for less than what I owe".

The fact that very low hours machines are competing for new machines with low financing and warranty is what makes them a hard sell except at unfavourable prices to the seller. I found that out the hard way once. Want value from a tractor and you have to put a lot of hours on it or keep it for a good long while.

I mean, same with trucks. I have had my 08 Duramax since new with around 200KMS. NOW, that initial depreciation, used car fans talk about, is meaningless. The truck without having had any issues was well priced transportation amortised, and is still worth pretty good money.

Exactly, tractors are similar to trucks and cars. The low mileage ones won't bring anywhere near 10% less than their MSRP or purchase price.

The only real "deals" are buying used trade ins just like cars and trucks (or low mileage leases).
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #73  
Im not sure new used tractors are really holding value. Nothing that is 2-3 years old is worth around 10% less than what new cost, that really seems to be the going rate anything within the 2-3 even 4 year old range is only about 10% less than new maybe 15%. I think its more of financing demanding that pricing. You see it in boats too. You get all of these people buying tractors for 0% or so spread out 6-7-8 years. Again like I said loans aren't bad. But what happens is 2 years down the road they are selling because they really dont need it, trading in etc. At that point they went 0 down or little down and 2 years in still owe a lot. So a lot of the pricing you see is that people want to get their money back, to me its not true value of machine.

It's also interesting to sit down & fugure out long term value by calculating deflation of the dollar's purchasing power (inflation %) against the increasing new tractor prices. Then expand that calculation to cover the replacement cost of the tractor over how long that a tractor lasts.

Because if you do that, I think you are going to be surprised at just what a what a good value a used tractor can be. And that even goes for one several years old at near the original price. That's when the high price of used tractors begins to make more sense.

Pretty much the same applies to any tool with a long useful life.
rScotty
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #74  
It's also interesting to sit down & fugure out long term value by calculating deflation of the dollar's purchasing power (inflation %) against the increasing new tractor prices. Then expand that calculation to cover the replacement cost of the tractor over how long that a tractor lasts.

Because if you do that, I think you are going to be surprised at just what a what a good value a used tractor can be. And that even goes for one several years old at near the original price. That's when the high price of used tractors begins to make more sense.

Pretty much the same applies to any tool with a long useful life.
rScotty

No doubt that is something to think about and can get interesting. One thing to keep in mind though is when you are talking depreciation and inflation, is sometimes you are talking 10-20 years or even longer to figure that one.

Where I somewhat disagree is where a new-used machine really makes a lot of sense, if were talking that 10% price difference that I said above. Older machines, yes you would be right in terms of that calculation. On a new used machine the inflation/deflation is not going to be all that different then a new in a calculation, maybe but it will be very small in this situation. Now if you were talking six figure equipment or more, yeah might have something. You also have to figure interest rates, promotion etc. But trying to keep things equal lets say same machine one is three years old vs the new one, same cost at purchase minus a few bucks, lets say we spent 30k on it which seems pretty middle of the road around here. So we have spent 3k more on new then the older one. In theory the new tractor should be worth 3k more than the older one at least for the few first years or so. 20 years from now year wont matter as much, newer tractor might take a more of a hit but doubtful. Next buying a new tractor means more warranty, that is worth something, what its worth, I don't know, but the 3k gap dropped some. The next thing is being three years newer means a few things, 1. Potential better design, old flaws fixed, better gadgets added, again there is value there. Lastly a three year old machine theoretically will last three years less than the new one, has more wear and tear on it, which ultimately affects a price per year value.

Again im not against used stuff, i buy it too, can get some good value, look hard enough you can get steals. But with that said I just don't think its there in the new used market, prices are inflated due to loans out more than anything else.
 
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   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #75  
This is exactly why, only reason I know is because that's what I have been told on several occasions when looking at tractors. I ask if they have room to move on the price and usually the response is "I'm already listing it for less than what I owe".



Exactly, tractors are similar to trucks and cars. The low mileage ones won't bring anywhere near 10% less than their MSRP or purchase price.

The only real "deals" are buying used trade ins just like cars and trucks (or low mileage leases).

Yes, for sure. And if you can buy from someone whom you trust, who is taking care of it for sure, all the better. A great case of that is my sister’s cousin who is visiting this weekend. His employer leases a car for him, and then he just buys it after the lease is up. If you can’t trust your own self to take care of your car who can you trust?
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #76  
Yes, for sure. And if you can buy from someone whom you trust, who is taking care of it for sure, all the better. A great case of that is my sister’s cousin who is visiting this weekend. His employer leases a car for him, and then he just buys it after the lease is up. If you can’t trust your own self to take care of your car who can you trust?

Bought a used Ram a few years back. It was a dealer demo truck, was Canadian as well, year old but was the same year as new trucks on the lot. Funny thing is, I didnt pay much attention to the miles, they told me it had like 2000 on it or something. Either way got like 20k off the truck. During test drive thought it was funny that factory plastic was still on seats, again didnt notice miles. Do all the paperwork get in truck and it had 49 miles on it, wow.
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #77  
Not everyone is in a position to write a 5 figure check for a Craigslist purchase. Interest rates on used equipment purchases are rarely as attractive as rates on new iron. Let痴 not forget that interest on HELs is not deductible unless the proceeds are used to actually improve the home.

Had a neighbor that would till my garden every year. I stopped by one day and he asked if I wanted to buy his Kubota. I asked the price, he said $2500.00. I jumped on it right away. Turned out that price included a 4' tiller, a bush hog, a belly mower, a turn plow, and a 16' tilt trailer to haul it.
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there?
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#78  
You paid for the accessories and got the tractor for free.
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #79  
Not even sure he paid for all of them.
 
   / Are there enough used CUTs out there? #80  
there are plenty of used cuts around people just dont have the cash to get or muster a loan outside of the special loans on new dealer equipment - the other issue is people want a specific unit and are not looking for anything but that so they dont consider anything else that is available - theres plenty of them around especially with the access to the internet
 

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