Apple hires 800 at $8/hr

[Cat_Driver]

Whoa... un twist your panties. You are hallucinating over things I DID NOT SAY. I spoke of Wal mart, period. They started this trend with cheap crap made by cheap pay. My point, I don't shop there. I don't need to give my money to a company I have a problem with on how they treat their employees, in the US, or China. I don't have a clue what you are rambling about.

I was giving you a HISTORY lesson and showing how wrong you are. Wal Mart DID NOT start the trend with cheap goods. Read some history and learn. Secondly Wal Mart does NOTHING that a lot of other USA corporation do. No you're the one that doesn't have a clue how they treat employees here or in China. You are doing nothing more than babbling liberal talking points.

Here's what you don't have a CLUE about. Prove you know how they treat their Chinese employees. Name one Chinese company, one employees with an address in China. As far as how they treat their employees in the USA they follow the LAW OF THIS COUNTRY like every corporation does. It's called EEOC - look it up you may learn something EEOC Home Page before you spew false talking points you can't prove.
You want to know what I'm talking about - FACTS not 99 percenter talking points.
Now for the last nail in the coffin of your lies. IF, and that's a capital IF Wal Mart treats their employees so horrendous, why do 1.4 MILLION of them work for them, or do they just love being mistreated. I wonder why that when Walmart opens a new store, it痴 not uncommon for as many as 10,000 people to apply for just 300 jobs. YA I KNOW YOU HATE FACTS DON'T YOU

Three out of four Walmart store managers started out as hourly associates, MAKING MINIMUM WAGE and those managers can earn up to $170,000 per year. Some former hourly associates, such as Patricia Curran, have worked their way up to top executive positions. Curran was named by Fortune magazine as one of the 50 most powerful women of 2006. Walmart even encourages associates to complete training courses during fully paid work time and offers raises to associates who complete these courses.

Walmart痴 relationship with its employees is win-win. Every wage that it pays is one that the employee accepts and a large number of individuals have successfully worked their way up the retail giant.

It offers training and development because it judges this to be good business. Such programs reward talent, motivate employees and recruit managers with extensive firsthand knowledge of store operations. With regards to wages, the company pays what it needs to in order to recruit an enormous number of competent and content associates. And it recognizes that it does not make business sense to pay more than it needs to. JUST LIKE EVERY CORPORATION ON THE PLANET

 

[troutsqueezer]

A history lesson sprinkled with large amounts of vitriol. Don't quit your day job.

Wherever a WalWart opens up, a hundred mom and pop stores close down and your quaint downtown Main Street becomes a dilapidated version of its old self. Where people gathered and drank their sodas, ate their ice cream cones and stopped to chat you now have sidewalks full of weeds and discarded hypodermic needles. Next thing there will be walking dead inside every abandoned storefront.

 

[300UGUY]

A history lesson sprinkled with large amounts of vitriol. Don't quit your day job.

Wherever a WalWart opens up, a hundred mom and pop stores close down and your quaint downtown Main Street becomes a dilapidated version of its old self. Where people gathered and drank their sodas, ate their ice cream cones and stopped to chat you now have sidewalks full of weeds and discarded hypodermic needles. Next thing there will be walking dead inside every abandoned storefront.

Hot Dammm!!! Finally a real zombie thread!

When Walmart came here, the hardware store closed, a bunch of clothing stores went. When Home Depot and Lowes showed up, the lumber yards closed. One had been in biz over 100 years. Most of the downtown areas of the county villages are antique shops, resale shops or vacant.

 

[Loren49]

I was giving you a HISTORY lesson and showing how wrong you are. Wal Mart DID NOT start the trend with cheap goods. Read some history and learn. Secondly Wal Mart does NOTHING that a lot of other USA corporation do. No you're the one that doesn't have a clue how they treat employees here or in China. You are doing nothing more than babbling liberal talking points.

Here's what you don't have a CLUE about. Prove you know how they treat their Chinese employees. Name one Chinese company, one employees with an address in China. As far as how they treat their employees in the USA they follow the LAW OF THIS COUNTRY like every corporation does. It's called EEOC - look it up you may learn something EEOC Home Page before you spew false talking points you can't prove.
You want to know what I'm talking about - FACTS not 99 percenter talking points.
Now for the last nail in the coffin of your lies. IF, and that's a capital IF Wal Mart treats their employees so horrendous, why do 1.4 MILLION of them work for them, or do they just love being mistreated. I wonder why that when Walmart opens a new store, itç—´ not uncommon for as many as 10,000 people to apply for just 300 jobs. YA I KNOW YOU HATE FACTS DON'T YOU

Three out of four Walmart store managers started out as hourly associates, MAKING MINIMUM WAGE and those managers can earn up to $170,000 per year. Some former hourly associates, such as Patricia Curran, have worked their way up to top executive positions. Curran was named by Fortune magazine as one of the 50 most powerful women of 2006. Walmart even encourages associates to complete training courses during fully paid work time and offers raises to associates who complete these courses.

Walmartç—´ relationship with its employees is win-win. Every wage that it pays is one that the employee accepts and a large number of individuals have successfully worked their way up the retail giant.

It offers training and development because it judges this to be good business. Such programs reward talent, motivate employees and recruit managers with extensive firsthand knowledge of store operations. With regards to wages, the company pays what it needs to in order to recruit an enormous number of competent and content associates. And it recognizes that it does not make business sense to pay more than it needs to. JUST LIKE EVERY CORPORATION ON THE PLANET[/QUOTE

A good portion of this post was written by Doug Altner for a Forbes article.
Why Do 1.4 Million Americans Work At Walmart, With Many More Trying To? - Forbes
Quotes from article:

"Three out of four Walmart store managers started out as hourly associates, and those managers can earn up to $170,000 per year. Some former hourly associates, such as Patricia Curran, have worked their way up to top executive positions. Curran was named by Fortune magazine as one of the 50 most powerful women of 2006. Walmart even encourages associates to complete training courses during fully paid work time and offers raises to associates who complete these courses.

Walmart’s relationship with its employees is win-win. Every wage that it pays is one that the employee accepts and a large number of individuals have successfully worked their way up the retail giant.

It offers training and development because it judges this to be good business. Such programs reward talent, motivate employees and recruit managers with extensive firsthand knowledge of store operations. With regards to wages, the company pays what it needs to in order to recruit an enormous number of competent and content associates."

It is a good idea to reference other people's work. Facts can be presented without attacking the person with whom you disagree.

Loren

 

[troutsqueezer]

Whenever you see those weird characters where there should be apostrophes and stuff, it's a pretty good sign that the text was copied from somewhere, a word processing program or in a lot of cases, the Internet.

P.S. Walking Dead, best show on TV, ever...

 

[houstonscott]

A history lesson sprinkled with large amounts of vitriol. Don't quit your day job. Wherever a WalWart opens up, a hundred mom and pop stores close down and your quaint downtown Main Street becomes a dilapidated version of its old self. Where people gathered and drank their sodas, ate their ice cream cones and stopped to chat you now have sidewalks full of weeds and discarded hypodermic needles. Next thing there will be walking dead inside every abandoned storefront.

Oh, come on now, that's straight up propaganda. Walmart rejuvenates areas, bring real jobs in a system you might make headway as a part of, and making things affordable, all those things on your list are still happening, just go inside. HS

 

[PapaPerk]

Oh, come on now, that's straight up propaganda. Walmart rejuvenates areas, bring real jobs in a system you might make headway as a part of, and making things affordable, all those things on your list are still happening, just go inside. HS

It's fact Wal-Mart has destroyed small town business. But it's not Wal-Mart... It's the people that shop there. Anything for a good deal.

Let's hope Wal-Mart is true to their word on buying more made in the USA stuff. Sam Walton supported this philosophy and it died with him.

 

[Pixguy]

It's funny to hear some family members state that they hate Walmart and will shop there to see them shop at Target or Kmart. Do they really think the stuff at those stores are domestically made and that they pay a higher wage? I think not. Walmart is just the union whipping boy.

and walk in your local A*e or Tr** Value hardware store and see mostly the same Chinese made junk at a higher price with a HS kid or retiree making minimum wage.

 

[ultrarunner]

Well there is always the other end of the Spectrum...

Over 700 city of San Francisco employees received over 200k last year not including Medical and Pension

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I was giving you a HISTORY lesson and showing how wrong you are. Wal Mart DID NOT start the trend with cheap goods. Read some history and learn. Secondly Wal Mart does NOTHING that a lot of other USA corporation do. No you're the one that doesn't have a clue how they treat employees here or in China. You are doing nothing more than babbling liberal talking points.

Here's what you don't have a CLUE about. Prove you know how they treat their Chinese employees. Name one Chinese company, one employees with an address in China. As far as how they treat their employees in the USA they follow the LAW OF THIS COUNTRY like every corporation does. It's called EEOC - look it up you may learn something EEOC Home Page before you spew false talking points you can't prove.
You want to know what I'm talking about - FACTS not 99 percenter talking points.
Now for the last nail in the coffin of your lies. IF, and that's a capital IF Wal Mart treats their employees so horrendous, why do 1.4 MILLION of them work for them, or do they just love being mistreated. I wonder why that when Walmart opens a new store, itç—´ not uncommon for as many as 10,000 people to apply for just 300 jobs. YA I KNOW YOU HATE FACTS DON'T YOU

Three out of four Walmart store managers started out as hourly associates, MAKING MINIMUM WAGE and those managers can earn up to $170,000 per year. Some former hourly associates, such as Patricia Curran, have worked their way up to top executive positions. Curran was named by Fortune magazine as one of the 50 most powerful women of 2006. Walmart even encourages associates to complete training courses during fully paid work time and offers raises to associates who complete these courses.

Walmartç—´ relationship with its employees is win-win. Every wage that it pays is one that the employee accepts and a large number of individuals have successfully worked their way up the retail giant.

It offers training and development because it judges this to be good business. Such programs reward talent, motivate employees and recruit managers with extensive firsthand knowledge of store operations. With regards to wages, the company pays what it needs to in order to recruit an enormous number of competent and content associates. And it recognizes that it does not make business sense to pay more than it needs to. JUST LIKE EVERY CORPORATION ON THE PLANET

O. K. Your break is over, time to go back out front and greet the customers. Sounds like you are on the fast track to upper management at wally world. Or, maybe your kid. Any way, without my money...

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Since when is anything Apple, "the cheap deal"?

Where do you folks buy your clothes and shoes? Do think they're made one piece at a time by someones grandma?

This whole thread is laughable at best.

It's a big world out there, dude. You would be amazed at what kind of quality one can still find. You just have to get off your duff instead of heading down to wally world.

 

[troutsqueezer]

Made the mistake of having my oil changed at WallWart one time. Paid for the "full" service where they fill all fluids, inflate the tires to spec, etc. Before I brought it in I checked the fluids and tire pressure myself but didn't add or inflate. When my name was called over the loudspeaker I went to retrieve the Tacoma. It sat way out in the parking lot and I could see that there was a large puddle of oil under the engine and more was dripping heavily as I watched. I called this to their attention and they put it back on the lift. Turns out it was original drainage which somehow they let spill all over the frame. Still can't figure out how they did that. I checked the fluids and the tire pressure - unchanged from when I brought the truck in. Tried to complain to the store manger but after two weeks I couldn't make contact. Gave up and haven't been back.

Whatever endeavors WallWart tries to partake in, everybody loses.

 

[houstonscott]

Made the mistake of having my oil changed at WallWart one time. Paid for the "full" service where they fill all fluids, inflate the tires to spec, etc. Before I brought it in I checked the fluids and tire pressure myself but didn't add or inflate. When my name was called over the loudspeaker I went to retrieve the Tacoma. It sat way out in the parking lot and I could see that there was a large puddle of oil under the engine and more was dripping heavily as I watched. I called this to their attention and they put it back on the lift. Turns out it was original drainage which somehow they let spill all over the frame. Still can't figure out how they did that. I checked the fluids and the tire pressure - unchanged from when I brought the truck in. Tried to complain to the store manger but after two weeks I couldn't make contact. Gave up and haven't been back. Whatever endeavors WallWart tries to partake in, everybody loses.

Got news for you that could happen anywhere, I watch wherever I have it done. HS

 

[troutsqueezer]

Got news for you that could happen anywhere, I watch wherever I have it done. HS

After 48 years of driving, it's only happened once - WalMart. Fool me once, shame on you...

 

[houstonscott]

After 48 years of driving, it's only happened once - WalMart. Fool me once, shame on you...

I wouldn't use WM for car or truck issues either, but I understand those that have to out of necessity. I'm glad it's there for those that need it. HS

 

[Cat_Driver]

Made the mistake of having my oil changed at WallWart one time. Paid for the "full" service where they fill all fluids, inflate the tires to spec, etc. Before I brought it in I checked the fluids and tire pressure myself but didn't add or inflate. When my name was called over the loudspeaker I went to retrieve the Tacoma. It sat way out in the parking lot and I could see that there was a large puddle of oil under the engine and more was dripping heavily as I watched. I called this to their attention and they put it back on the lift. Turns out it was original drainage which somehow they let spill all over the frame. Still can't figure out how they did that. I checked the fluids and the tire pressure - unchanged from when I brought the truck in. Tried to complain to the store manger but after two weeks I couldn't make contact. Gave up and haven't been back.

Whatever endeavors WallWart tries to partake in, everybody loses.

I had the same thing happen at a GMC dealership with my brand new Hummer H2. The never touched it and charged me for a completer service. I took photos of the grease zerks that still had mud covering the zerks proving they were never grease, I took pictures of the cap on the power steering fluid proving they never touched it as the dust would not be there. None of the fluid plus were touched on the from and rear differential, proof my mud still in the plugs. i had photos of everything, plus I returned and asked for the General Manager who agreed with me and offered me a " free oil change "

Went to FORD to have a vehicles AC service and was told they serviced it, as I sat in the pick up area I stuck my digital thermometer in the AC vent and on max cold it never got colder than 72 degrees from the vent.

Took the wifes car to TOYOTA to fix a leak in the tire, they returned the vehicle saying they fixed it, next morning tire again went flat, took it to Americas tire they found a 6" nail in the tire, missed by Toyota, and send my wife home to drive on the freeway with a spike in the tire.

Went to Camping world to have a rear stabilizer installed on a Class C Motorhome. Drove back home 100 miles, look,ed under the rig to check the work, THEY NEVER INSTALLED IT, but charged me. I had to drive back 100 miles for a refund and I made them pay me for the fuel both ways.

Do you want me to go on through Dodge, Mistubishi, Mercedes, because I have horror stories from all of them.

Getting poor, bad, horrendous service from Walmart means NOTHING since it happens in every auto repair shop in the entire world - that's what they do. What's MORE RARE is finding a shop that actually does good work for a fair price, I haven't found on in 50 years of looking.

Shhhhsh you people are relentless with Walmart Bashing, too bad it's falling on deaf ears on people that actually have common sense.

 

[troutsqueezer]

You should know - and I'm not surprised that you don't - when you include bashing the other posters on a personal level due to, I dunno, an inability to articulate, you automatically lose any argument you care to engage in. You and several others have lost this one not because of the points you were trying to make but rather how you chose to treat other posters.

 

[LD1]

A little late to the thread, and read most of the posts, and will offer my feelings on minimum wage and this whole apple hiring (or whoever) hiring 800 people for $8/hr.

First, companies are in business to make money. Any company that claims to put people ahead of profits is a down right liar. IF no profits, there will be no business. People are replaceable. Thats just the cold hard truth.

Second, those claiming that $8 per hour aint enough to live on and they deserve better.....do they? Most people in this country that make min wage are skill-less employees doing skill-less jobs with no desire to do any better. Only want to complain about how unfair everything is and others making $20+ per hour. Well, to get a good job, you have to work for it and earn it.

Filling a bunch of entry level jobs at $8 an hour will get no complaints from me. Apparently that is all the jobs are worth. No one is forcing people to take them. And if no one does, the market will tell Apple (or volt) that they arent paying enough.

I am NOT in favor of raising the min wage. Because for good honest and hardworking people, min-wage is just a starting point. And if they have skills and ambitions to better themselves in life, they wont be at min-wage long.

I dont care how much money a company makes, or how much it has in the bank. They worked hard for decades to get there. They earned it. Just because they are a successful and wealthy company, doesnt mean they have to overpay for everything (labor included), or they wont be there long.

 

[hr3]

Got a link to an article?

I was looking for the story online also,,, ???

 

[dave1949]

In the early 1940's my Mom-to-be worked as a bank teller. Everything was done by hand on file cards. She may have had a mechanical adding machine to total up deposits and withdrawals to balance her drawer at end of the day. After returning home from WWII, my Dad-to-be worked as a drill press operator. Now there are multi-tool CNC machines.

In the late 1950's when the Honeywell Datamatic D1000 "mainframe" was produced, the field service technicians were trained at the factory by helping with the build, then shipped out with the machine as dedicated on-site support. By the time I was doing field service in 1980, very little component level repairs were done anymore. Run tests and swap boards covered most of the electronic repairs. Now we have internet-based computing where on-site hardware is minimal.

In the 1970's my Dad was building and repairing plastic injection molds using EDM machines. Among many others, he used to build the molds that made the cap portion and plug of plastic that would become 2-liter soft drink containers. :laughing:

Automation and the increased productivity that comes with it is eliminating jobs that took some training or skill. Globalization allows "Bob" in India to support software anywhere in the world cheaper than can be done with US-based employees. Need an Actuary? There are businesses in India that have what you need. Actuaries traditionally commanded premium wages. Automation, obsolescence and globalization are coming to a job near you, you can bet on it.

The future is sneaking up on us and how we think about a person's worth. Taken to it's logical conclusions, the future will have many people who are under-employed or simply not needed to keep the wheels of commerce turning--except as customers.

Thinking about the minimum wage and careers in the context of a ladder with rungs that one may climb, is getting to be a dated concept in that it is no longer universally true. It will be true for fewer and fewer people as automation progresses while more people are added to the planet.