What is wrong with ford offering the F-150 and the Super Duty? It must not be a bad idea, they have been the best selling truck for 35 years and they have had 2 different trucks since 98.
Anyone have a new 5.0 F150?
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What is wrong with ford offering the F-150 and the Super Duty? It must not be a bad idea, they have been the best selling truck for 35 years and they have had 2 different trucks since 98.
Dmace
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If your picture is the HD package then it looks like the same standard 3+1 spring pack on the standard F-150. If it's still 3+1 springs (3 leafs + 1 helper), I'm sure the shocks will still be short lived.
The link says "upgraded springs" so I would assume they add a leaf or have different leafs all-together but it does not state how they're upgraded. Also looks like no brake upgrade for the HD package either.
As for valuable information, did you answer the question about the full-floater axle or is that in the link as well...
It's all in the opinion of the buyer but the downfall to two different trucks is for those who need the extra capacity of a Super Duty truck but don't want a much larger truck that's not as ergonomically friendly as the light duty counterpart. What if you have a 1/2 ton Ford and want to tow 13k lbs? Now you need to upgrade to a completely different truck which has nothing similar to the F150. With the GM/RAM trucks, the light duty and heavy duty trucks are nearly identical making an upgrade not as noticeable.
As for sales numbers, that's a whole different conversation and has nothing to do with quality...
EddieWalker
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Looks like Ford is doing something right.
September 2012 Top 15 Pickup Truck Sales - PickupTrucks.com News
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September 2012 Top 15 Pickup Truck Sales - PickupTrucks.com News
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I know a guy that has a f150 7700 with over 200,000 on it with the original shock it rides fine. The guy owns orchards, it has been pounded on good. He just bought a new F-150 5.0 and loves it.
jejeosborne
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All springs "look" the same in a picture. I believe they are wider and/or thicker but am not able to put a micrometer on the picture to tell. Some configurations have 4 leafs and some 3 leafs. Does it really matter how they are upgraded?
I didn't answer the question because I don't know the answer. I am not going to dream up an answer and possibly be wrong. I just wanted to correct your misinformation.
The ram 1500 equivilant is using leaf springs instead of coils to achieve the payload. Why not just get the 2500 since they are so similar. I like the fact you can get an f150 with high payload and keep the f150 look, size, and engine choices. I see that as a big benefit.
Ram will not offer the hd option in 2013. http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/08/no-ram-1500-tradesman-hd-for-2013.html
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If your looking for fuel milege, read about the trucks before you buy. Many people with the ecoboost are not getting good milege.
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Yes it does, just adding a leaf makes the rear sit higher and severely stiffens the ride. Going with a different set whether their wider, thicker or bent differently could add to the payload without sacrificing ride quality.jejeosborne said:
Your answered your own question. RAM is dropping the HD Tradesman because for the same price you can get a 2500 with the same layout and more cab/bed options. I am simply pointing out why Ford has such a high payload for their F150 vs other 1/2 ton trucks. They have to with a two truck layout and it's a numbers game to say we have the highest payload of trucks under 8,500 GVWR and those who only want bragging rights will fall for it eveytime.jejeosborne said:
As for the original question, the 5.0l is shaping up to be a very good engine and would be my choice over the ecoboost. It's a more simple design vs the ecoboost with less expensive parts to replace and plenty of power for towing duties.
jejeosborne
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Very smart for ford to offer the max payload package in my opinion. More choices are great. I would have selected it when I ordered mine but I would have had to get the 6.5 bed with the super crew and didn't want that long of a truck. With max tow I still am still over 1800 payload which suites me.
Here is a picture of my springs. One less than I posted for the max payload package. I think they have even more spring packages based on configuration.
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I wasn't trying to be a Ford phan as you put it by any means, just asking a question. As a matter of fact I own two Chevy trucks and no Fords. As far as no research it looks like the info you attached was from the 2012 model, I was looking at the current 2013 data.I see nothing as changed around here, still Phord Phans bashing other brands while claiming theirs is tops with no research...
Dodge Ram 1500 Tradesman with a 10 year proven HEMI engine.
Payload = 3,125 lbs
Towing = 11,500 lbs
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IMO all this heavy half and light three quarter ton stuff is just marketing strategy, or marketing b/s, depending on how you look at it.
Ford is probably smart to offer the HD F-150 as long as they can sell enough of them to make it worthwhile and use it in their advertising.
There are guys that will buy an F-150 or a GM 1500 because they have it dead set in their mind that they just don't like the look or ride or engine choices in a 3/4 ton.
On the other hand I can tell you that there are people that buy 250's and 2500's that have absolutely no need for them but again like the way they look or options available.
I have two neighbors that both drive F-250's and they never tow anything at all or load more than a tree stand and maybe a deer carcass if they get lucky.
I asked the one guy why he didn't get a 150 and he said didn't like the wheels and the way it "looked", sat higher in the rear than the front. And he wanted manual shift 4x4 which I guess you don't get in a 150. So now 2 years later he still likes the truck but complains about the gas mileage. Both of these guys never required the capacities of an F250 but bought them because of looks or some powertrain option that was available.
The manufacturers will try whatever they can to sell trucks, as long as it is cost effective. I guess Dodge found the HD Tradesman not selling enough to keep it in the lineup.
Doesn't Chevy make or used to make a 1500 crew cab which was really a 2500 underneath. And Ford has the Supercrew, etc. I will say Ford seems to have a few more bases covered in the marketing plan in an attempt to satisfy as many customer desires as possible.