Anyone else waiting to see if tractors without the EPA stuff are coming?

[airbiscuit]

I don't doubt that you like your M's. Being boastful about putting diesel particulates into the atmosphere is curious.

 

[ultrarunner]

I looked at the EPA's list of regulations they may potentially roll back. It's right on their web site. The only one I can find that would apply to diesel vehicles is for Greenhouse Gas Emissions Standards for Heavy-Duty Vehicles – Phase 3, which would have begun with model year 2027. It's a future regulation not a current one. And not for pickups or the tractors most of us use.

I have seen some people on the internet claim that the EPA is removing emissions regulations for diesel pickups. Mostly on youtube, where if you get views by making fantastic claims you get paid more. But I can't find any actual published words that even remotely resemble a rollback of existing regulations.

The rest of the emissions rollbacks are enabling corporations to pollute more. The usual giveaway to the super rich. They get the profits, we get the cancer.

In California it may be a bigger deal if California can no longer enforce more restrictive carve outs.

 

[Axing]

Where did you get the information that says regenerating at 50 hours is to often ?
Mine seems to usually regenerate around 50 hours, seems fine to me , I actually thought that’s what it was supposed to do.

Sir, in China, every 200 hours of engine regeneration, the engine manufacturer will be scolded

The manufacturer's guarantee is that as long as you use the big throttle to work, you will never need to regenerate, but it is best to park the car once a year

。。。。

 

[Axing]

The one thing I dislike the most about my mx5200 is the DPF system because it makes it difficult to run the tractor at an idle for something like running a forestry winch at low RPM without having to run a regen cycle at higher RPM later as a consequence. Having an emissions system that depends on running the tractor at a higher rpm just to generate heat to burn off particulates in the filter is just so messed up.

If you have a diesel engine with aftertreatment, if you use it at idle speed, it will increase the frequency of regeneration, which is very disgusting

The most irrational thing about after-processing is that they ignore diesel vehicles that often need to idle to work

 

[Axing]

It does it around 50 hours in the winter and more like 70 hours in the summer.

Maybe our emission standards are not as strict as imagined, so the diesel here will be regenerated at least once in more than 200 hours, if you have been working at the high throttle, you do not need to regenerate, the vehicle will have burned the soot particles in the after-processing when working

 

[tradosaurus]

Obviously a lot has changed Government wise in the USA
I was in the market for a new tractor (I have a 2015 Kioti 6010 now that I like) but wanted to step up to a bigger tractor
Long story short I’m waiting to see if any expected EPA announcements on tractor exhaust deregulation is coming
I heard it is very soon for trucks

I would settle for a delete kit at this point.

 

[vanskills]

I’m pretty convinced after today companies will take all this emission garbage off

It’s obviously wanted, once one does they all will do for competition purposes

Nobody is going to buy a emission laced engine unless they have to

 

[Hay Dude]

I looked at the EPA's list of regulations they may potentially roll back. It's right on their web site. The only one I can find that would apply to diesel vehicles is for Greenhouse Gas Emissions Standards for Heavy-Duty Vehicles – Phase 3, which would have begun with model year 2027. It's a future regulation not a current one. And not for pickups or the tractors most of us use.

I have seen some people on the internet claim that the EPA is removing emissions regulations for diesel pickups. Mostly on youtube, where if you get views by making fantastic claims you get paid more. But I can't find any actual published words that even remotely resemble a rollback of existing regulations.

The rest of the emissions rollbacks are enabling corporations to pollute more. The usual giveaway to the super rich. They get the profits, we get the cancer.

There’s plenty of ways to get cancer. Like smoking, overconsumption of alcohol, eating too much processed food, being 50lbs overweight, smoking a suitcase full of weed every month….

Yet those are all perfectly legal. So why the hell should my equipment have to be near ZERO emissions, but people can voluntarily give themselves cancer through many other legal means?

How about some balance here? Howcome every piece of equipment I buy with a diesel engine over 25 frickin HP has to have $5,000 + of emissions crap piled on it, which BTW, also breaks later and must be repaired at even more cost, not to mention lower reliability?

Then we have to listen to virtue signalers, who don’t use equipment to farm, mine, saw, construct, etc. spew their garbage about “cancer” caused by us.

This has gone far enough. Air quality if fine and has been cleaned up considerably. People need to start being personally responsible and stop making anyone who uses machinery for a living foot the bill for their virtue signaling causes. People like me who run equipment are tired of the bullseye being on us. We’ve done a LOT to help clean up the air.

I don’t want rolling coal or dirty air either, just some mentally stable balance in the way we go about regulations on people and the way they make a living.

 

[vanskills]

There’s plenty of ways to get cancer. Like smoking, overconsumption of alcohol, eating too much processed food, being 50lbs overweight, smoking a suitcase full of weed every month….

Yet those are all perfectly legal. So why the hell should my equipment have to be near ZERO emissions, but people can voluntarily give themselves cancer through many other legal means?

How about some balance here? Howcome every piece of equipment I buy with a diesel engine over 25 frickin HP has to have $5,000 + of emissions crap piled on it, which BTW, also breaks later and must be repaired at even more cost, not to mention lower reliability?

Then we have to listen to virtue signalers, who don’t use equipment to farm, mine, saw, construct, etc. spew their garbage about “cancer” caused by us.

This has gone far enough. Air quality if fine and has been cleaned up considerably. People need to start being personally responsible and stop making anyone who uses machinery for a living foot the bill for their virtue signaling causes. People like me who run equipment are tired of the bullseye being on us. We’ve done a LOT to help clean up the air.

I don’t want rolling coal or dirty air either, just some mentally stable balance in the way we go about regulations on people and the way they make a living.

Ya, and I live in Montana with plenty of tractors and there is zero dirty air

Tractors ain’t the problem, packed cities are

 

[careyo63]

There’s plenty of ways to get cancer. Like smoking, overconsumption of alcohol, eating too much processed food, being 50lbs overweight, smoking a suitcase full of weed every month….

Yet those are all perfectly legal. So why the hell should my equipment have to be near ZERO emissions, but people can voluntarily give themselves cancer through many other legal means?

How about some balance here? Howcome every piece of equipment I buy with a diesel engine over 25 frickin HP has to have $5,000 + of emissions crap piled on it, which BTW, also breaks later and must be repaired at even more cost, not to mention lower reliability?

Then we have to listen to virtue signalers, who don’t use equipment to farm, mine, saw, construct, etc. spew their garbage about “cancer” caused by us.

This has gone far enough. Air quality if fine and has been cleaned up considerably. People need to start being personally responsible and stop making anyone who uses machinery for a living foot the bill for their virtue signaling causes. People like me who run equipment are tired of the bullseye being on us. We’ve done a LOT to help clean up the air.

I don’t want rolling coal or dirty air either, just some mentally stable balance in the way we go about regulations on people and the way they make a living.

Coal dust was a problem but they pretty much have that taken care of, Grand father worked the mines shift boss. WV.. City carbon and smoke was a problem also. Pitts. Pa. was the worst! Now they have that cleaned up pretty much along with the Automobile emissions. I stay old school simple and easy. Keep up with Maint. and repairs and they can keep the Electronics. Major field work and Farming is understandable though! IMo.

 

[jyoutz]

Ya, and I live in Montana with plenty of tractors and there is zero dirty air

Tractors ain’t the problem, packed cities are

LOL the winds in Montana blow the dirty air a couple hundred miles east.

 

[Hay Dude]

Coal dust was a problem but they pretty much have that taken care of, Grand father worked the mines shift boss. WV.. City carbon and smoke was a problem also. Pitts. Pa. was the worst! Now they have that cleaned up pretty much along with the Automobile emissions. I stay old school simple and easy. Keep up with Maint. and repairs and they can keep the Electronics. Major field work and Farming is understandable though! IMo.

Right. Nobody is saying wind-back the clock to days of belching black coal smoke and children working in factories. lol
But let’s chill on dumping virtually all of the regulations on truckers, farmers, manufacturers, etc.

We need to bring back industry and manufacturing, not give it all away to China.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I love how congested cities pass on all of the solutions for pollution to the people trying to grow their damn food in the uninhabited country

 

[arrow]

I love how congested cities pass on all of the solutions for pollution to the people trying to grow their damn food in the uninhabited country

Like Maine adapting California emission standards?

 

[tacticalturnip]

Like Maine adapting California emission standards?

Fortunately emissions tests didn't last long here, but they sure tried for a number of years.

 

[gsganzer]

I really think the DPF and SCR requirement on ag equipment is off base. Most of this equipment is used in rural areas, so the NOx is not really a contributor to ozone in the metropolitan areas. If it is, it would probably be a fraction of 1% compared to the road/highway vehicles and other contributors. Then, the act of agricultural work, tilling, plowing and other dust producing tasks greatly outweigh any PM10 particulate matter from the exhaust.

 

[rScotty]

If you have a diesel engine with aftertreatment, if you use it at idle speed, it will increase the frequency of regeneration, which is very disgusting

The most irrational thing about after-processing is that they ignore diesel vehicles that often need to idle to work

I think it depends on the kind of after-processing. Most big diesels today use an after-treatment that injects fluid into the exhaust stream. They idle just fine.

 

[rScotty]

Right. Nobody is saying wind-back the clock to days of belching black coal smoke and children working in factories. lol
But let’s chill on dumping virtually all of the regulations on truckers, farmers, manufacturers, etc.

We need to bring back industry and manufacturing, not give it all away to China.

I wish we had kept industry and manufacturing here, too. But we didn't. And now that we have given it away I doubt we can bring it back.
For one thing, the countries who have the industry and manufacturing today fully understand that they now have the power that used to be ours, and have no interest in repeating our mistake.

So we can't go back. Which means our future - and theirs - is going to be different from anything that has existed before. I've no idea what that means, but suspect we are all going to find out.

This would be a good time to step back, pause, and figure out a long term plan....

rScotty

 

[Hay Dude]

Well I would rather bring it back for national security's sake

 

[5030]

I think it depends on the kind of after-processing. Most big diesels today use an after-treatment that injects fluid into the exhaust stream. They idle just fine.

The DEF injection systems on modern commercial diesel powered trucks remain issue prone and expensive to repair as well.