Any Pilots On Here??

   / Any Pilots On Here?? #91  
Boy, don't go down the Bonanza path... it doesn't have the most stellar of records as far as deaths per hour of operation. From what I recall, you really need to know your stuff in a Bonanza and its not a forgiving airplane. Look up Dr. Killer Bonanza. Don't want to start anything.... but the last Bonanza I saw was just a couple months ago.... next to the highway, outside of the airport fence, in the grass by the side of the road..... it may be in your future, but learn to fly first. ;)

Ah yes.... the Bonanza... The infamous..... "swallow tail - single engine - doctor killer"
 
   / Any Pilots On Here?? #92  
In all fairness... the dr. killer monicker isn't all that fair, in that, dr's, lawyers, business professionals, were the ones most likely able to afford such a plane back then.

On a side note... the day the music died... look it up. ;)
 
   / Any Pilots On Here?? #93  
From what I recall, you really need to know your stuff in a Bonanza

A pilot focused on safety should "know his stuff" regardless of which airplane they pilot. In my opinion, that is not type-specific.

My Piper Malibu model, at one time, had a number of accidents all in short succession. The FAA issued an emergency directive that they could only be flown in VFR conditions (not instrument conditions) and limiting the peak altitude. After a very long and exhaustive review, it was determined the plane and its design was just fine. The training was insufficient to prepare pilots to use the capabilities of the airplane, and to not overexpect what the plane could do. Apparently too many pilots thought they achieved airline pilot status flying an invincible machine when they stepped up to a Malibu. They were venturing into weather conditions the plane was not capable of handling.

In all my time here, I don't recall ever hearing that you should rule out certain brands or models of tractor because the safety record of that brand or model is lower than the competition. But put two wings on, and many seem to adopt that view. In my opinion, if you start first with a small plane, build some time, then graduate to the next level, you are doing it right if you also receive the training necessary to be familiar with the machine you are operating. All planes have quirks, and if you are trained on how to avoid or deal with those, that promotes safety.

Turning this whole issue around, I came from a flying background to then become a tractor owner. Lots of training before being turned loose with an airplane, virtually zero training when my tractor was delivered and no training at all on attaching and using implements. None. No safety suggestions at all about getting near the spinning PTO. I started a thread here a while ago asking if lack of training was killing tractor operators. I was surprised by the somewhat angry pushback by some that training should not be offered in any fashion under any circumstances. That was quite a surprise since it is so different from my past experience.
 
   / Any Pilots On Here?? #94  
Here's the most-recent memory of a Bonanza for me.... Sept. 12, 2017. Must have missed his exit... :laughing:

No one was injured. He apparently was landing to the east, landed on the road before the runway, hit a westbound SUV, looped a 180 and went into the ditch on the north side of the road, ended up facing west. News never said why he went down on the road before the airport fence line.


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Plane lands in ditch near South Bend Intl. Airport

No injuries in crash of small airplane | Public Safety | southbendtribune.com

This source said there was a loss of engine power...
Incident Beech N35 Bonanza N9368Y, 12 Sep 2017

While all of the local news sources said he was flying from Kansas to Minnesota, and stopping in South Bend for fuel.... why would anyone fly from Kansas to Minnesota by way of Indiana??? I read somewhere he was going to Makinaw, which makes a lot more sense.

Anyhow....

Here's his flight path.

N9368Y ✈ FlightAware
 

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   / Any Pilots On Here?? #95  
A pilot focused on safety should "know his stuff" regardless of which airplane they pilot. In my opinion, that is not type-specific.

My Piper Malibu model, at one time, had a number of accidents all in short succession. The FAA issued an emergency directive that they could only be flown in VFR conditions (not instrument conditions) and limiting the peak altitude. After a very long and exhaustive review, it was determined the plane and its design was just fine. The training was insufficient to prepare pilots to use the capabilities of the airplane, and to not overexpect what the plane could do. Apparently too many pilots thought they achieved airline pilot status flying an invincible machine when they stepped up to a Malibu. They were venturing into weather conditions the plane was not capable of handling.

In all my time here, I don't recall ever hearing that you should rule out certain brands or models of tractor because the safety record of that brand or model is lower than the competition. But put two wings on, and many seem to adopt that view. In my opinion, if you start first with a small plane, build some time, then graduate to the next level, you are doing it right if you also receive the training necessary to be familiar with the machine you are operating. All planes have quirks, and if you are trained on how to avoid or deal with those, that promotes safety.

Turning this whole issue around, I came from a flying background to then become a tractor owner. Lots of training before being turned loose with an airplane, virtually zero training when my tractor was delivered and no training at all on attaching and using implements. None. No safety suggestions at all about getting near the spinning PTO. I started a thread here a while ago asking if lack of training was killing tractor operators. I was surprised by the somewhat angry pushback by some that training should not be offered in any fashion under any circumstances. That was quite a surprise since it is so different from my past experience.

I think its just the perception that if you screw up on a tractor, you can usually just stop and not fall out of the sky. Or glide, if you prefer. :) But if your engine dies, you got one shot.


Here's another link to another story about this particular incident.... they had trouble getting it out of the ditch using "booms and wenches"..... bet that was fun.... ;)

Kathryn's Report: Beech N35 Bonanza, N9368Y, Pinnacle Leasing Inc: Accident occurred September 12, 217 at South Bend International Airport (KSBN), St. Joseph County, Indiana
 
   / Any Pilots On Here?? #96  
Old Red, just so you get a good perspective on what one can do with the LSA category, go to Youtube and type in the search box "Trent Palmer" It is the name of a channel by a guy with the same name. He is flying a Kitfox LSA experimental with a rotax 100hp engine and set up with tundra tires. The cinematography on that channel is quite advanced and the man clearly knows how to fly although in my opinion takes too many risks.

So I have spent this evening reading and soaking up Light Sport Aircraft licensing and planes. No medical....minimum of 20 hours....these aircraft will hold only 2 people. 120 knots at max speed and no flying over 10,000 feet. But some of the planes look really nifty. And they burn 5 gallons of regular old unload gasoline per hour! 22 miles per gallon. Full glass cockpits look neat. I realize that one of my goals of "family travel" will be unmet. But they say if you instruction is certified to teach both you can work towards your PPL while you work on you LSA. If I had the LSA I could gain a lot of hours economically. Trying to read and learn if there is much cross coutry in this type of plane. I like the idea of a $50 dollar cheeseburger to start out with.

Any thoughts or knowledge to share on this? This could get me started...... I hear the LSA hold their value pretty well so if I get in one I can hopefully get my $ back.
 

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