Another FEL Related Roll

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OkieG

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This is a picture I've hoped never to have the opportunity to post.

My neighbor wanted some scattered brush piled for burning. I was glad to oblige. The brush was not thick, but it was tangled. With loader raised, on fairly level ground, the forks had some bush caught, so I backed slowly to break it loose. The left rear wheel fell into a hole (didn't know it was there) and I felt the tractor start to tip. I knew to lower the loader, and even though the roll was slow, I couldn't get the loader down fast enough.

My seatbelt was snug, and really did it's job. I had no injuries. My pick-up had no trouble righting the tractor. After topping off the fluids, I drove my tractor home and gave it a bath. I needed a bath, too.

As with Steel Wheels, the left side ROPS light popped out, but popped back in and works fine. The canopy wasn't damaged (amazingly), but the brackets that hold it were bent. They straightened without too much trouble and the canopy is now reinstalled.

I've always been a bit on the high maintenance side for my guardian angel, but once again he came through.

OkieG
 

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Another picture.

You can see from this shot that the FEL is raised some, but only about even with the hood of the tractor.

OkieG
 

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<font color="blue">...for my guardian angel, but once again he came through... </font>

Amen... George...

In slow motion, maybe you can go step by step and recreate the happenings... maybe explain the "many" things that occur "at once" but though it feels slow motion explain how it takes but only a few seconds and it's over...

For some of the "non-believers", maybe explain to them about staying with the unit as scary as it may be and not bailing out... versus trying to "beat the system" and jump off during the roll with the odds truly against them...

(and explain if you could have stayed with the machine if your seat belt was off...)

George... you are another truly fortunate and blessed man...
 
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Yikes Okie, glad you are OK! That's a pretty scary looking predicament that I hope I'll never have to go through. Thanks for giving us all a not-so-gentle reminder of tractor safety /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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That's a new way to check out the bottom side of the equipment . Most people just crawl underneath with a light.

Glad your safe and sound and do put in some statements on the seat belt and rops.

Egon
 
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Yikes, George! Glad you're OK!!

Didn't having that box blade pushed over to one side damage one of the lower 3ph arms?

I look forward to learning from your answers to John's questions.
 
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Glad you are ok!

We ought to establish a 'replacement underwear fund' to send to the victoms that post here.. could have the TBN logo on them or something....

If we were doing this.. I'd already have mine... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Soundguy
 
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Kind of hard to tell from the photos but it looks like not enough rear ballast for the FEL and forks. Those long forks put the load center way ahead of the design so you have a much lower rating on the FEL. How deep was this "hole" you backed into ???? I can see wheel weights, are the tires loaded ???? Most tractors I have run with a light load in the bucket that close to the ground will take a pretty good dip at low speed. I had a 43hp Case with a boom on the bucket, loaded tires, weights AND a 1200# weight on the 3PH to handle 300# safely.
 
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I am glad you are ok,and you tractor came through with minimal damage. It definately is a learning experience and worth sharing on this forum.I had no intention of releasing my seatbelt although the seatbelt did flash through my mine,when my tractor went over, I felt the seatbelt tighten on me and I thought good,I knew it was there to help protect me me.
 
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Speaking of a tractor rolling, check out the picture that RaT posted under the Buying & Pricing forum: "Kubota doesn't honor warranty" about an individual trying to go down a steep hill with a loaded FEL.
 
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JM3,
<font color="blue"> recreate the happenings </font> I was working on ground I was not familiar with (a neighbor's property) and got foolish. In retrospect, a better plan would have been to keep the FEL and boxblade (ballast) low for max stability and allow potential dangers to be revealed by nosing around, instead of trying to do too much in one pass.
When I backed the left rear wheel into the hole, my first instinct was to lower the FEL. But, as I began to tip, it became clear that the tractor was going to roll before I could get the FEL down...At that point I was along for the ride.
To tell the truth, I wasn't really scared...there wasn't time to get scared. As the tractor passed the "tipping point of no return", my mind switched gears from saving the situation to "is there anything I should be doing to minimze damage as I'm rolling. There was nothing I could do. I held tight to the steering wheel and thought briefly about my snug seatbelt (like Steel Wheel). Then it was over. The seatbelt held me in my seat and a quick body systems check told me I wasn't hurt, praise God.
<font color="blue"> bailing out </font>...never crossed my mind. When I thought momentarily about the seatbelt, my thought was, "am I secure or am I going to fall out of the seat?". Thank goodness my seatbelt was on...and recently replaced, by the way, for a faulty buckle.
Because of their width, the weight of the tractor was pretty much supported by the loader bucket and the boxblade when rolled on it's side. The ROPS kept the tractor from rolling farther. The seatbelt kept me from finding my way underneath one of the above.

RobS.
Thanks and you're welcome.
<font color="blue"> a pretty scary looking predicament </font> After I was loose and walking around the tractor, the scariest thing for me was wondering about fire as fuel, crankcase oil and hydraulic fluid were dripping out all over the place. No leaks from damage, just spilling from cap vents and dip stick tubes.

Egon,
<font color="blue"> new way to check out the bottom side </font> After I knew I was OK and that the tractor probably wasn't hurt too badly...redoing some of my bracket welds underneath the tractor was my first thought.
The ROPS worked as advertised...excellent. The seatbelt was replaced a few weeks ago. The old buckle didn't want to latch. OEM parts are expensive. I bought an automotive belt from NAPA, cut the belt to length, and sewed the ends to the original tractor hardware. This has been discussed in another thread. I do not recommend anyone modifying safety equipment, but felt very comfortable doing so myself in this instance. My belt stitching held up just fine.
The ROPs on my tractor is not tall, like some newer models. I've wondered if I ever rolled upside down if the seatbelt would hold snug enough to keep my head from rattling on the ROPs. Now, I think it would. If somehow the tractor ended up upside down, my concern now is whether or not I could get the seatbelt to release with my full weight suspended. I don't know. But, it's still much safer to have it on than not.

MikePA,
<font color="blue"> damage one of the lower 3ph arms?
</font> Nope. Despite the radical looking angle of the boxblade in the picture, everything is fine. For what it's worth, my tractor came with the "heavy duty" version of 3ph lift arms, but even the much lighter duty turnbuckle sway control links survived intact.

Soundguy,
Thanks. My underwear first became potentially threatened while I was snapping pictures and really looked at the disaster that was averted. How do I apply for compensation from the underwear fund? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Kevinj,
<font color="blue"> looks like not enough rear ballast </font> You could be right. I have "forked" tree trunks as heavy as the loader would carry with no obvious or troublesome lightness in the rearend. Wheel weights are homemade and weigh 270# total. The boxblade is 400#+. A rack on the boxblade holds an additional 200# of suitcase weights. That may not sound like a lot, but my tractor is not too big. Do I need more? Tires are not loaded. With loader closer to the ground I am confident I would not have tipped. The hole was about a foot deep. The ground I was working on has some slope, just a little. It all added up in the wrong direction. <font color="blue"> 1200# weight on the 3PH to handle 300# safely </font> My boxblade (with suitcase weights attached) is as far behind the rearwheels as the front of the loader bucket is in front of the front wheels.

Steel Wheels,
<font color="blue"> I felt the seatbelt tighten on me and I thought good </font>...ditto.

froggy,
Ouch!! I have a 15-20' slope/hill I go down all the time with a maxed out loader. One reason I'm bold enough to do it is because the hill is so short. I keep the loader low and have never had a problem. Sometimes the back wheels want to skid a little bit, but with the loader bucket low and going slow with a hydrostat, it all feels pretty safe and controllable.

OkieG
 
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Sure glad you are OK! I always feel I try to be safe BUT just yesterday I was moving back a brush pile...in a hurry... don't have time to hook up ballast box (must take a whole 45 seconds) next thing I know I am on a tricycle...got her back down on four wheels...put the ballast box on and no further problem. I did have the ROPS up and my sealt belt on.
 
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Glad you're ok. Glad to hear that your machine is ok too. Tell me where to send the money for the underwear fund; we never know when we may be applying for benefits. S#@% happens!
good luck,
DaveL
 
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EXTREMLY glad u are ok and no dammage to your tractor. and MUST GIVE U KUDOS for the post. nice to know that u think so much of our safety as to post your mishap. never rolled a tractor(never want to) but i have had a few times when doing the simpelest task that , that i had a few scares. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 

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