Am I being foulish thinking I can do it.

   / Am I being foulish thinking I can do it. #1  

new jersey mike

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I have a couple of projects that require an excavator, pulling shale out of an old foundation, replacing a pond drain pipe, replacing an old farm road culvert pipe and enlarging a fire pond.

I am very mechanical and intuitive. Learning my tractor, loader and attachments and the uses and limitations.

I can rent the equipment BUT have never used one. It may sound foolish but youtube was the first time I saw the control for an excavator. I figured I could rent for week and consider the first couple of days as training to crudely develop the use of the controls.

I am most likely looking at at least 2 weeks but I will be learning and it will be a lot less expensive if I can master this skill for the current and future projects.

Well what do you think?
 
   / Am I being foulish thinking I can do it. #2  
I rented a mini-ex for a project and found that I picked up the controls and 'feel' pretty quickly. In my case, it was putting in an egress window, so I was digging alongside a foundation.

You'll be working with much larger equipment, but also in much less confined spaces. If it takes you twice as long as hiring an ex with an operator would it still be less expensive to rent? If so, I'd definitely go for it. You might even get your work done quicker than you expect, and 'find' more work for the ex while it's there.

-rus-
 
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An experienced operator will do that work 10 times faster and probably for half the expense than renting your own equipment. And they wont make any mistakes.
 
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We wanted to have a culvert put in, we talked to guys local who do it, upwards of 5000 dollars. We rented a back hoe and ex for several days and done more for **** of a lot less.
 
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I say depending on what size machine you want to rent, it is generaly cheaper to rent by the month. If you think it will take two weeks, then rent it for the month if it works out to be cheaper (you can let it sit on rainy days). That being said, MAKE SURE you call DigSafe before you dig. It's free too!
Have fun with it and be careful, don't tip it over!
 
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None of those projects sound particularly urgent. I would take them one at a time. Rent the equipment to see how you do on the first and if you think it's too much then call in the experts. Don't rent a backhoe for a week, rent one for a day to start.
 
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None of those projects sound particularly urgent. I would take them one at a time. Rent the equipment to see how you do on the first and if you think it's too much then call in the experts. Don't rent a backhoe for a week, rent one for a day to start.

I agree 100%
I've seen people that can just sit in a machine and take to it right away, or at least be able to use it but there's a big dif between using a machine and being an operator! Do the culvert job.
 
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I had never used an excavator in my life and rented a Bobcat mini excavator last year for a few odd jobs I needed to do. Take it somewhere on your property where you can practice with it, and I'll bet after about 20 or 30 minutes you'll be ok with it. I had it for 2 days and by the time I was done with it, I have to say that I was very comfortable with the controls. You can do it.
 
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My brothers 6 year old boy rides the excavator while daddy is operating, sitting on his lap and also holding the sticks. When my brother held his hands still, the kid rotated and dumped next to the trench. then he said, hey, if you can do it too, just try it !
Then he began to think and he didnt know how to.

Generally you have to think for 5 minutes, then just try on intuition: That will mean you'll go wrong a couple of times, but thats the way to learn it. If you have to think for every move, it takes longest to learn.
 
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Look into renting a 4wd Jd backhoe, with a extend bucket. You'll be amazed at the amount of work you can do with it. JD is really user friendly. levers are "see spot run"easy:)Theirs alot to be said about doing it yourself.As long as you have the time.
Army Grunt
 
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Like the others said go for it. I needed to dig up a hydrant located next to the wall in my barn last summer. My choices were dig it up by hand or rent a mini ex. I rented the mini ex and not only did I get the hydrant dug out, without damage to the water line, I also trenched across the barn and put another hydrant out front. I had never ran one before, our rental place lets you have it for a day rate over the weekend if you keep the meter under 8 hours so I took my time and only ended up with about 20 minutes of shovel work. I did all this inside the barn without tearing anything up so if I can do it so can you.

Todd
 
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I've rented a Dozer, mini-ex and a backhoe on different occasions for different projects. First time operator on each and came out alot cheaper than if I hired a contractor. Same quality as a pro...No, but it came out very good and I was happy. I can tell you a back hoe is one sweet machine and what it can do amazed me.
In my area renting by the week to me was the cheaper route to go.
 
   / Am I being foulish thinking I can do it. #13  
I have opposite experience but it was my fault. I rented a skid loader for 250/8hours to spread few trucks of top soil we had delivered. All worked fine until I hit the house and did few hundred dollars of damage. I run it about 10 hours so I got charged for extra hours, then for fuel at much higher rate than at the pump, for delivery and for cleaning even though I returned the machine cleaner than I got it. All fees and charges combined more than doubled the original rental amount and I had to fix the house.
Later on we bought again few truck loads of top soil. The guy brought his own skid loader, spread it exactly as my wife wanted, it took him two hours and charged 200 on top of the delivery.
Would I rent again? Of course I would but I hope I would be smarter about the rental. Despite the house damage it was fun day getting crazy with the skid loader.
 
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I had never used an excavator in my life and rented a Bobcat mini excavator last year for a few odd jobs I needed to do. Take it somewhere on your property where you can practice with it, and I'll bet after about 20 or 30 minutes you'll be ok with it. I had it for 2 days and by the time I was done with it, I have to say that I was very comfortable with the controls. You can do it.

Backhoe/trackhoe controls are real intuitive. By the end of the first hour, I bet you will be able to control it very well. Find a place and dig some holes, then fill them back in. Then start with the most "open area" project first. By then I bet you will have the hang of it...
 
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everything but the firepond sounds easy enough to do.

the firepond. it is the mud, and how far you have to reach down into the mud. and this alone my require a much larger size "tracked excavator with longer reach" to deal with.

there is a difference between a backhoe and an excavator.

a backhoe is what i refer to as what fits on back of a regular tractor via 3pt hitch. and majorty of the time same tractor has a FEL (front end loader) on it as well. (part is to have counter weight for the backhoe and vice vs)

an excavator, is the machine that you just sit in, and you can spin around 360 all day long and never move a wheel or track. and only thing it has is the backhoe. i generally think of excavators as having tracks like a tank. though there are ones with regular wheels.

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as far as saftey, they all can be beastly even the smaller little units that look like a kids toy. can kill someone extremely quick. this is more of a shock attempt to get ya to read up on a couple backhoe and/or excavator operator manuals on the internet does not matter how old or from what manufactor. due to most of the manuals should all have the basic info on saftey and use. about the only thing that is going to differ is the physical controls. some have levers some have joysticks some have foot pedals as well.

since ya not use to a given machine. it won't matter to you. but some old boy that has a specific setup of say 2 joy joysticks and a couple foot pedals vs say 4 levers and couple other levers to control things. it can make the old pro look like a newbie chump as they have to relearn the controls.

as far as learning, it does take some good hand eye coordination. and "depth" judgement. the depth judgement is a big one for me. every time i use it, i am always in different positions and places. and learning bucket depth and cutting front edge depth, and how to keep everything pulling into to you to keep nice smooth flat bottom trenches and like takes practice. without having to go back over things with a hand shovel.

all i can say is, start off slow. meaning keep the throttle down. you do not need RPM PTO speeds, you can run backhoes / excavators at idle speed, granted it is a extreme baby crawl. every person / tractor is different. for me though, 1/2 throttle (lever or foot peddle) to 3/4 is what i tend to run at. granted when i am near a house or building or like. i will cut things down and do the ugly slow baby crawl. it may take me a tad longer. but it is quicker and cheaper vs doing repairs to something i damaged.

also keep people away from you while operating the machine. more so while learning, it is to easy to hit wrong lever / pedal / joystick and cause things to twist and move and actually bury them into the pavement dead body and tombstone to beat it all within a blink of the eyes.

the controls themselves for me, all seem pretty easy. it is the getting the experience under belt of using the given machine, so you know about the digging and then putting the dirt back in and compacting it, and then leveling things out with same machine. and at same time learning the limits of you and the machine.
 
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Yeah you can do it. I've rented all kinds of machines and operated them sucessfully including dozers, bobcats, and a pretty good sized excavator (JD 160). I did have and use a small tractor and backhoe for some time before. The rental guy who dropped it off gave me a basic rundown on all the controls and said that if I operated the small backhoe I would have no problems operating the excavator. I didn't. It was awesome to go from using a dinky backhoe to ripping out rocks and stumps with the big machine.

You should probably get a few estimates from the pros just to see what kind of pricing there is in your area for the work you want to do. Then compare it to the price of rental. This is what I do on most every project and justify buying attachments or tools to do them and still coming out ahead on price. If your not in a rush and don't mind doing the work yourself it can work out great. For the big jobs that can't justify purchase of the big equiqment for only occasional use rental is the way to go. You don't have to maintain it, fix it, or fret over it. The rental stuff is all fairly new and good working condition. You use it and send it back. :)
 

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