Air Cooled Diesel Engine

psj12 · Dec 9, 2009

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RobJ · Dec 9, 2009

Soundguy said:
so.. like i said.. overfuel and burned a piston then?

soundguy

Nah, you said....fuel pump went out. It didn't, it was working perfectly, it was set for the wrong type of load. But the end result did burn a piston... The motor had about 20 hours on it.

so how did the fuel pump going out whipe out the engine? overfuel / lube thinned out?

soundguy

Soundguy · Dec 9, 2009

RobJ said:
Nah, you said....fuel pump went out. It didn't, it was working perfectly, it was set for the wrong type of load. But the end result did burn a piston... The motor had about 20 hours on it.

IMHO.. I wouldn't own anything that could only be ran intermittalntly.. I believe that was a bad design.

When i had originally posted that question, your message was quite vauge as to what actually 'happened' concerning the fuel pump, causing the engine to blow. I 'guessed' a bad fuel pump that overfueled and damaged the piston.

kinda splitting hairs on your part about it not being a bad fuel pump.. it _was_ after all.. a fuel pump issue.. right??? ( and that includes miscalibration, wrong duty cycle .. etc.. )

soundguy

Egon · Dec 10, 2009

To me it's obviously an Owner issue for not ensuring the people operating and maintaining the equipment were properly trained on the equipment they were using!

Then again it may be the Seller of said equipment is at fault for not insuring the new owner was familiar with the proper operating and maintenance procedures required for the new equipment!

brad123 · Apr 30, 2010

We have had great luck with our air cooled tractors.. Lots of power, worked them hard and had no problems. We have five tractors with a total of 43000 hours between them.. Thats right 43000 hours and never touched a motor

Gale Hawkins · May 1, 2010

That sure is impressive.:thumbsup:

RobJ · May 21, 2010

brad123 said:
We have had great luck with our air cooled tractors.. Lots of power, worked them hard and had no problems. We have five tractors with a total of 43000 hours between them.. Thats right 43000 hours and never touched a motor

Might be a Deutz F6L913 in the DX160. Looks like a 6cyl and the diaphragm on the back of the fuel pump was something I believe the turbo model had. Also looks like the oil cooler right behind that.

Depending on the year model that is, not sure if the F6L913 is still made due to emmissions.

Renze · May 24, 2010

Redneck in training said:
The were Zetors made in Poland.

Zetor had the lead in this project, some Ursus engineers went to Czechia for 4 years, because Ursus would build the powersteering unit (notorious for leaking) and the rear axle (notorious for being assembled with the wrong gear lash: Dealers would correct that upon delivery) The front axle was made at Universal tractor works in Rumania, and Povaszke Strojarne in Slovak built the main gearbox. The first compartment of the transmission is Zetor made, as well as the engines. In 1981 the entire production of this range was moved to ZTS Martin, Slovakia to a producer of tanks (T-72 license) engines (French Pielstick license) and loaders (Hanomag license). Because neither ZTS nor Ursus didnt have R&D experience, they didnt change the basic concept for nearly 30 years untill they were lagging so far behind that both manufacturers are (near) bankrupt. To grab a share of the ever increasing popularity of the 75-105 hp market, Zetor introduced the UR3 range as a mid series in 1991, which development was accelerated after the fall of communism, because they were no longer bound to plan economy that separated the market, under 80hp in Brno, 80-160hp in Martin. There are some UR2 models built in Poland because the facilities are still there, but they can barely break even, so they will extinct eventually.

The biggest difference between the original UR2 Ursus and Zetor, apart from the colour, was that the Zetor doors swung forward, and the Ursus had door hinges at the back of the door. (I prefer the Polish door style though)

Renze · May 24, 2010

RobJ said:
Might be a Deutz F6L913 in the DX160. Looks like a 6cyl and the diaphragm on the back of the fuel pump was something I believe the turbo model had. Also looks like the oil cooler right behind that.

Depending on the year model that is, not sure if the F6L913 is still made due to emmissions.

913 air cooled is now sold as 914 series in certain markets. The stroke (roughly 13 cm) has remained the same even though the last two numbers of the type have changed: They already have a 1013 series so they had to move away from the traditional numbering system.

Did the DX160 have the 913 or the 514 engine ? The DX230 had a masive 413 or 514 for sure

brad123 · Jun 14, 2010

Did the DX160 have the 913 or the 514 engine ? The DX230 had a masive 413 or 514 for sure[/QUOTE]

The dx160 have a Bf6913 motor with turbo

redneckfarms · Jun 28, 2010

RobJ said:
I worked of Deutz diesels for 6 years. A lot of gen sets, pumps, but we put a few in a box type truck(UPS, Fed-ex type), a non turbo 5 cylinder in there. Still more in some big Poclain hoes. Atlas Copco and IR compressors, Ditch Witch used them in many machines. Even had a guy drive up one day with a V-12 in a White Freightliner! If I recall he said in the hills it would outpull the other guys, but didn't have the engine braking.

You can get an air cooled in a smaller package, smaller package can mean less costs all the way around. Not sure the big deal about the oil sprayers under the pistons. I have seen them on other engines to. Whether sprayed or splashed, oil is used to cool the underside of a piston. On the 912 series (ditch witch size), the fan was belt driven, a cut off switch would kill the motor if the belt broke. The 413 V series had a centrifugal hydraulic drive fan.

The only overheat or melt downs I had were caused by using the engine in the wrong spec. One expensive one I remember was a very large over the road crane(max boom was over 500'). Just shipped it in from Germany to New Orleans. Smoked the motor entering Texas. The fuel pump was designed for intermiting loads while driving around europe. They got on I-10 headed to Houston where it is flat. We replaced the motor after recalibrating the pump.

A couple of yall mention the one cylinders. Funniest one there was I got a service call to the Houston Heights area. Figured it was a construction site. Nope a house, lady answers the door, then points to the sail boat in the back. A hand start single cylinder Deutz to power around if needed. Which isn't as bad as it sounds, to keep the single cylinders running smooth, they (and the 2 cylinder) had a huge flywheel. They always shook like crazy until you got the rpms up. Not that hard to start with a ratching compression release and crank.

As far as overheating, this past summer some neighbors at the weekend place were putting in some water pipe, about a mile of it. Rented this beater ditch witch. I think they ran it 8-10 hours solid. Oh and being a mechanic I noted there there was no side cover on the Deutz to force the air between the pistons. Didn't care, came that way. It's probably still missing that cover today! And still running. Wouldn't that be the same as running with no water?

With the individual cylinders I think it was easier to work on. Parts were lighter and easier to handle, only had to replace a single cylinder if needed, not bore the whole block. Fuel pumps were a nice Bosch. The smallest one with a turbo I saw was the 6 cylinder 913 series. Most were direct injection but the W series had pre-combustion chamers, used mostly in mines, they were down on the power.

As someone mentioned they could not get the epa rating are/were phased out. There are still a lot of them out there running that I see all the time.

I have a SAME Explorer 90Turbo that has been mainly used digging fence post holes and moving hay in the winter. However, this year we had to use it in the hay field running a 7ft disc cutter. It is overheating in less than one hour, loosing power and the tach has stopped working and the battery light is now on. The motor fins are clean, all fluids were just changed but still same result...overheating. Any thoughts?

redneckfarms · Jun 28, 2010

I have a SAME Explorer 90Turbo that has been mainly used digging fence post holes and moving hay in the winter. However, this year we had to use it in the hay field running a 7ft disc cutter. It is overheating in less than one hour, loosing power and the tach has stopped working and the battery light is now on. The motor fins are clean, all fluids were just changed but still same result...overheating. Any thoughts?

brad123 · Jun 30, 2010

redneckfarms said:
I have a SAME Explorer 90Turbo that has been mainly used digging fence post holes and moving hay in the winter. However, this year we had to use it in the hay field running a 7ft disc cutter. It is overheating in less than one hour, loosing power and the tach has stopped working and the battery light is now on. The motor fins are clean, all fluids were just changed but still same result...overheating. Any thoughts?

I am not sure but I think this could very well be more than one problem. There are a few reasons as to why the engine would be overheating besides from internal problems.. The fins as you say need to be clean and are very hard to if you have had a oil leak on say one of your rocker covers.. The second is that i am assuming your fan speed is ran by an exhaust gas thermostat.. When this plugs up your fan speed slows due to less oil flow but will most likely bring on your oil pressure light.. The third is that the fan is ran by oil pressure so if your pump is dodgy then you wont get enough fan speed.. If you want to speed up your fan and not use the exhaust gas thermostat you can remove a little bolt on the side of it and remove the washers on it.. Replace the bolt into the thermostat and fan should run full speed all the time.. Make sure there is lots of air coming out between cyinders and out transmission cooler.. I would change fuel filter and make sure there is no water in fuel.. Hope this helps a little

abdioshe · Aug 18, 2018

Hello Good people,
I have a SAME Solar 60 with a damage engine. Currently sourcing for the same Engine or any other that can fit. I will really appreciate any info on this. Thanks.

Katahdin · Nov 20, 2019

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radios1 · Nov 20, 2019

Katahdin said:
Does anyone know a source for 10HP Yanmars (or clones) with the SAE J609B tapered shaft for bolt-on generator heads?

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Sawyer Rob · Nov 20, 2019

abdioshe said:
Hello Good people,
I have a SAME Solar 60 with a damage engine. Currently sourcing for the same Engine or any other that can fit. I will really appreciate any info on this. Thanks.

I know where there's an entire good running Vigneron 60 for $3,500.00, if that would help...

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