adding more tires

[ch1ch2]

I have an extra set of rear tires and wheels.
I was thinking about making my tractor a dually.
What would it take?
What would be the pros and cons.

My thoughts...
Pros more traction.
Cons have to take them off to load the tractor on a trailer.

 

[WranglerX]

I have an extra set of rear tires and wheels.
I was thinking about making my tractor a dually.
What would it take?
What would be the pros and cons.

My thoughts...
Pros more traction.
Cons have to take them off to load the tractor on a trailer.

Probably a (tubular) adapter that bolts on to original axle flanges on outside of existing wheel (with longer studs/lug bolts) and accepts second set of wheels... Extra width will put extra strain on axles and bearing though...

Something similar to this pic but designed not as spacer bit as extension to accept second wheel... Also consider wheel design, inside wheel may "crush" (flatten) and cause extension to flop around, inside wheel may need to be reinforced..

Dale

 

[ch1ch2]

Thank you. That is the idea I was going with for now.
I do not know what options I have other than this and some hook thing.
I was thinking this spacer/adapter would be better. I was thinking, I did not want the rubber of the two tires to touch each other. Keeping them aired up properly is a problem for me, at least until I get new tires.

This would be on my IH584. I think the axle will handle any extra strain.
Your thoughts on the 584?

What/why are you thinking of reinforcing the steel wheels. Are tractors with duel wheels equipped with different wheels than tractors with single wheels?

I have no knowledge or experience with duel wheels on a tractor. I am just thinking that since I have them, why not try and learn? The sites on line that make these adapters seem kind of pricey, but I though I might find some at tractor swap meets.

Also I am hoping I can get some input here from farmers who have experience with them.

 

[M5farms]

older tractors had a special dual rim that fit on the edge of tractor rim. then you had Locks that clamped them together. a PIA to put on and a PIA to take off. later models made a hub for the axle which made it a little easier . Unless you are doing some heavy cultivating or disking i would think you are just spinning your wheels ..

 

[ch1ch2]

older tractors had a special dual rim that fit on the edge of tractor rim. then you had Locks that clamped them together. a PIA to put on and a PIA to take off. later models made a hub for the axle which made it a little easier . Unless you are doing some heavy cultivating or disking i would think you are just spinning your wheels ..

Cultivating is the main reason I have considered doing this.
Using a 6' double row tine cultivator, going deep can stop me in my tracks. So I raise and lower the 3pt a lot or just go shallow.

 

[M5farms]

Cultivating is the main reason I have considered doing this.
Using a 6' double row tine cultivator, going deep can stop me in my tracks. So I raise and lower the 3pt a lot or just go shallow.

It will not help with stopping you in your tracks that is a HP issue . If your spinning down It will help some but it likely still going to be a HP issue the extra traction will lift the front. you will need several hundred pounds of weights .

 

[ch1ch2]

Stops my forward motion. Tires just spin and dig into the ground.

 

[ch1ch2]

The loader adds a lot of weight to the front end. I have twice hooked a big root with my subsoiler that stopped the forward movement, caused the rear tires to dig in and lifted the front end off the ground with the loader. The front tires were over 6' in the air.
Scared me pretty good.
I thought it was going to flip over. It was trying to. The tires started bouncing, I was bouncing in my seat. It took me longer than I would have like for my feet to find the clutch and brake.

 

[oosik]

My M6040 owners manual says in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS - no dualies either front or rear.

 

[M5farms]

Does your axle shaft stick out ?? the stock photos I find does not show one that does . If they do n ot you would have to have the rim spacer

 

[ch1ch2]

No the axle does NOT stick out.

I am looking for all thought pro and con.

I understand some tractors have "weak" axles, whether they are thin or aluminum or what ever.
I do not think the 584's are "weak", regardless, I have spares on the scrap 684. Of course, I do not want to break one. Beside being a PITA to repair, who knows what safety issues might occur.

 

[M5farms]

This is what you would have to do.

 

[ch1ch2]

Now, I am getting EXCITED.

 

[M5farms]

Don't get too excited finding the rims that you would need and the locks would be like finding hen's teeth. I don't recall ever seeing at set small enough to fit your tractor

 

[M5farms]

Double post

 

[oldnslo]

What size tire are on your 584?

You might try doing a search for "Band type" duals. We ran 15.5 x 38 on a JD 70 diesel, 5000 Ford and they do help with traction and ride comfort. I found them much easier to install than the hub mounts and with the band style there is nothing sticking out past your main tire when the dual is not installed.

 

[LouNY]

The 584 proberly has 28 or 30 inch rims, I seem to recall clamp on duals for that size rim.
Welcome
this site can give you some ideas.
If you are cultivating will you have room between rows for duals?
It would be extreme but some dual where built for cultivating were the next rows actually went between the dual wheels,
they were mainly for floatation to avoid ground compaction instead of traction as the extreme spred could increase the axle loading considerably.
More weight for more traction or switch to a radial tire they are good for almost 20% increase in traction.
Or taller and or wider tires.

 

[dnw64]

I added duals to my (7HP) Wheel Horse back in the day. Welded some tabs on the inside edge of the new wheels so they would interlock with the originals, and then used some long bolts (or maybe it was threaded rod) to clamp the wheels together.

Worked a charm on gaining me much-needed extra traction to get firewood out of the woods.

On a full sized tractor I probably wouldn't consider it unless there was A) a factory option that could be added, or B) a well recognized aftermarket solution.

 

[ch1ch2]

As far as adding rims and or wheels....Are there brand specific bolt patterns that I should watch for?
I have 8 lugs and I do not know the center hole size.

Also help me get it straight....Rim is what the tire mounts too and the wheel mounts to the axel. Correct?
With these questions you would never guess I got the 584 20 years ago.

The tires were old, side walls were cracked, when I got the 584, and I am still using the same tires.
One of the reason I have been thinking about tires and this dully idea. I have the same size tires on my TN95A. I have been thinking about getting new tires on the TN95A and putting the take offs on the 584.

 

[M5farms]

STARCO Dual wheel HD - YouTube

watch this , Its the modern version of how duals were attached in the 80's the video after is an older tractor . this is how the wheels are added when you do not have an axle to mount a hub on . you would need a rim without the center to accomplish what you want