abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

[PA hayseed]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

What are they supposed to do with it? I壇 rather have a little extra material vs paying a crew to sit around while more is delivered. Would you rather pay them to to haul it back for a return in the event that痴 even offered? Most people don稚 want the extra material laying around.

I get it, and I am not saying that money should be wasted in that regard. I am talking about the contractors who intentionally over order items. I worked construction to pay my way through college. I saw painting contractors over order paint by the skid knowing full well that the extra was going to the next job. I have seen masons have the homeowner pay the brick truck driver for the material, and everyday they left the job site another load of bricks were put into the back of the pickup. I have seen general contractors write up job changes and put the items in their trailer to go down the road. Robbing peter to pay paul. This is what I am getting at. IT is really bad in NJ and NY, no where near that extreme in my area with the exception of the pole building crews. Those crews are more like gypsies.

 

[thekkfan]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Funny, me thinks BOB is a TBN troller, and decided to find something else in his inventory stash to make it right. I mean, really, who gives a flip how a guy/neighbor got up his leaves??? :laughing:

 

[buckeyefarmer]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Several contractors have told me they bid jobs based on the wealth of the client. Nice house, nice cars, nice price.
Had a guy in the funeral business say same thing for funeral prices.

 

[CobyRupert]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Funny, me thinks BOB is a TBN troller, and decided to find something else in his inventory stash to make it right. I mean, really, who gives a flip how a guy/neighbor got up his leaves??? :laughing:

I love the alternate theories.

"There was no post driver"!
"Bob is a troller, monitoring TBN..." running psych ops on the OP and all of us.

Or maybe....There is no BOB! THE OP IS BOB!

Where's Scooby Doo and the gang to pull off the mask and get to the bottom of this when you need them?!

(p.s. The Walrus was Paul! )

 

[the old grind]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Communication is important enough.

Farm Lady next door calls. "My 5420 is leaking again." Me, "Can you see where it's coming from?" She, "it's on top." (of what??? big tractor, there) Me, "top of roll bar? top of fender?" She, "I can see where it puddles underneath." big help :thumbsup: I arrive and darn little under the hood isn't soaked in oil and caked with mushy, oily mud. Leak was 'on top' of 'steering supply hose' (RE73466) which is in its own way of being removed, along with wires and 'hard' lines hampering access. ( btw, Got 'er done but 'was no fun')

A wife says, "you guys have to fix my van!" Hubby, "what's wrong with it, dear?" She, "It feels like the wheel is going to fall off!" He, "Steering wheel?" She "Front wheel. It feels like it's going to fall off." Me, "does the steering wheel shake or wobble when your driving, or feel different when braking?" He, "do you hear any noise or feel any shaking?" She, "it feels like the wheel is going to fall off." Me, "I've never had that happen. What's it feel like?" He, " do you hear or feel anything you can describe?" She, "It feels like the wheel is going to fall of."

Turns out that a whomped strut will give the same feeling as just before a wheel falls off. Hasn't happened to me yet, but I've heard from an expert.

Everyone practices talking, and IMO too many of us assume we're heard in context of what we're thinking, or care to be listening. Stuff happens when we think we're always heard and understood. Good luck with that idea.

 

[Fuddy1952]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

As far as material goes, this company is the same one who built my garage, a couple other small buildings, re-roofed an old barn, etc. over the last 35 years for me.
They do good work at a good price. Anything they do I get a contract outlining price, how it's constructed, and price.
Left over material doesn't matter to me, it's theirs. If it's in trash pile I save anything I can use.
Bob is down the line within the company, a foreman I guess you'd say.
I can't thank everyone enough for all the input and some great laughs!
At the start I had to vent, felt screwed, etc.

 

[CADplans]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

I can't thank everyone enough for all the input and some great laughs!
At the start I had to vent, felt screwed, etc.

If you still want a post driver,, there are two within a short drive from you,, at reasonable prices,, on Craigs List,,,

:thumbsup:

 

[Doofy]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

As far as material goes, this company is the same one who built my garage, a couple other small buildings, re-roofed an old barn, etc. over the last 35 years for me.
They do good work at a good price. Anything they do I get a contract outlining price, how it's constructed, and price.
Left over material doesn't matter to me, it's theirs. If it's in trash pile I save anything I can use.
Bob is down the line within the company, a foreman I guess you'd say.
I can't thank everyone enough for all the input and some great laughs!
At the start I had to vent, felt screwed, etc.

It is always nice to "hear the rest of the story" as Paul Harvey would say. Happy things worked out and that maybe "Bob" wasn't the douche he first appeared.

 

[Fuddy1952]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

If you still want a post driver,, there are two within a short drive from you,, at reasonable prices,, on Craigs List,,,

I looked, about $1500?
I should be ok using my auger. This $300 one I saw pictures, great condition. I could have used it then sold it for I bet $2K.
I'm thinking what was mentioned here was correct, Bob listed it ...goofed on price...goofed even telling me about it...then felt in a bind someone calling saying they were on the way to get it, 3 hours away and almost here.
If I could go back in time...said let's go RIGHT NOW! I wonder how it would have played out.
It is freaky how much stuff is at this place.

 

[ovrszd]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Maybe, but dang funny though. :laughing:

If serious,,,, not the least bit funny. Way worse than what Bob is "perceived" as having done.

 

[ovrszd]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

MY brother owns his own Plumbing HVAC business, so I would never say that all contractors are the same. This is a regional issue generally, where a specific type of behavior once unheard of has become the norm. In my area the pole building "crews" are known to overbid jobs to the point of watching them take the stuff from the delivery truck directly to their pickups. I feel for those people who hire a contractor, but work full time and can't see what is going on. In some areas of the country this would be a crime, in others underhanded, and in others it is common.

I don't want to get into one of these TBN thread arguments, but the way I see it is this: if I ask for a bid to do a job, It isn't an invitation for you to increase profit margins by over ordering supplies for your next job. That is lying in my opinion. To be clear, I am not talking about the generally accepted practice of ordering the 10% extra for mistakes. I have met professional contractors who would consider the standard practice of order 10% extra to be wasteful, and it isn't part of their bids. What I am getting at is the guy who intentionally orders way to much and passes it on to the homeowner. Like I said, I am normally at the jobs on my property, and I generally know what would be required. For the uninitiated and uninformed, wow is there abuse.

If you ask me to bid a job for you and we agree on a price, it's non of your business how much material I order, have delivered, and haul away. You agreed to a price. If I had extra material written into the bid maybe you should have shopped around. Nothing unlawful or deceptive about that in any manner.

I don't ask for bids to do anything. I just finished building a new house and shop. No bids asked for. The HVAC guy and the gutter guy both gave me bids anyway. If I need a bid I am hiring the wrong contractor.

 

[ovrszd]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

I get it, and I am not saying that money should be wasted in that regard. I am talking about the contractors who intentionally over order items. I worked construction to pay my way through college. I saw painting contractors over order paint by the skid knowing full well that the extra was going to the next job. I have seen masons have the homeowner pay the brick truck driver for the material, and everyday they left the job site another load of bricks were put into the back of the pickup. I have seen general contractors write up job changes and put the items in their trailer to go down the road. Robbing peter to pay paul. This is what I am getting at. IT is really bad in NJ and NY, no where near that extreme in my area with the exception of the pole building crews. Those crews are more like gypsies.

Were your examples "bid" jobs??? If they were, your stance doesn't float.

 

[Deere Dude]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

I looked, about $1500?
I should be ok using my auger. This $300 one I saw pictures, great condition. I could have used it then sold it for I bet $2K.
I'm thinking what was mentioned here was correct, Bob listed it ...goofed on price...goofed even telling me about it...then felt in a bind someone calling saying they were on the way to get it, 3 hours away and almost here.
If I could go back in time...said let's go RIGHT NOW! I wonder how it would have played out.
It is freaky how much stuff is at this place.

That all may be what happened. But, many folks on TBN vented on how screwed up CL transactions can be by either party and is considered the norm, and if I decided I underpriced a $2300 item down to $300 even if the guy drove a few hours I would have told him, sorry. My mistake.

That is an extreme example. I have already sold a $2000+ car for $1600 because I under-priced it, but they guy was on the way when I had sellers remorse. I sucked it up, but there is a limit on how big a hit a guy should be able to take. So price only after clear considerations.

 

[/pine]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

FWIW (a tangent point)...In many places where contractors are required to be licensed etc...they are required to supply lien wavers to the property owner / developer etc...proving that any materials used in construction on said property has been paid for...
...If materials are not paid for but consumed in a building/structure etc...the material supplier can file a lien against the property owner which can cause a job to be shut down...even in areas where contractors/builders etc. are not regulated a material supplier can still file a lien against a property owner...property owners have every right to have suppliers sign a lien waver stating all materials supplied have been paid for...

In cases where a financing company is involved (mortgage cos, banks etc...) they will almost always require lien waivers from all material suppliers...

 

[Fuddy1952]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

FWIW (a tangent point)...In many places where contractors are required to be licensed etc...they are required to supply lien wavers to the property owner / developer etc...proving that any materials used in construction on said property has been paid for...
...If materials are not paid for but consumed in a building/structure etc...the material supplier can file a lien against the property owner which can cause a job to be shut down...even in areas where contractors/builders etc. are not regulated a material supplier can still file a lien against a property owner...property owners have every right to have suppliers sign a lien waver stating all materials supplied have been paid for...

In cases where a financing company is involved (mortgage cos, banks etc...) they will almost always require lien waivers from all material suppliers...

Interesting point. I have actually heard of a few horror stories where a property owner pays a contractor for something then contractor doesn't pay supplier. Legally that supplier can take back his merchandise. It's still his even though it's on your property.
I'm sure it can get into a convoluted legal mess, but I've heard of it.

 

[DieselBound]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

Karma works!

 

[goeduck]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

The title of this thread is divisive, racist and should be renamed.

 

[the old grind]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

And as usual, the cops take forever to show up. :confused3:

 

[Citydude]

If you ask me to bid a job for you and we agree on a price, it's non of your business how much material I order, have delivered, and haul away. You agreed to a price. If I had extra material written into the bid maybe you should have shopped around. Nothing unlawful or deceptive about that in any manner. I don't ask for bids to do anything. I just finished building a new house and shop. No bids asked for. The HVAC guy and the gutter guy both gave me bids anyway. If I need a bid I am hiring the wrong contractor.

My last flooring contractor ordered 125 square feet of hardwood flooring over what was needed according to the materials list on the bid, which I paid for. I kept it. I've always got a final price on a home build ( cost per square foot) before the construction started. I've hired plumbers mechanics and electricians without bids.

 

[STERLING351]

re: abrogator? Post driver!#%@&

should have instantly run to the bank got cash and made the deal. Unfortunately people now days have no problem backing out of deals. When my neighbor said he would sell me his disc harrow for $300 that still looked brand new I said deal and handed him cash within 30min and had it on my property 10min after that. I usually try to keep cash on hand for those good deals that wont be around in another 30minutes. I love going to a gun range and finding someone who has difficulty with a "rifle that wont shoot", ask if they need help most of the time they say no. Then get even more aggravated and threaten to sell the rifle because it is "junk", next thing you know I just happen to have a pocket full of cash and can usually make a ok deal.