Oil & Fuel A quick 5 gallon fuel container rant

[GinNB]

I'm going to look for one this week. Someone must've changed the one on my tire machine before I got it- it requires a core to be in the stem.

 

[LBrown59]

Thanks and much appreicated.
Congrats .Nice job on a nice rig.
Mine and yours are different but that's what makes the world go round.

LBrown59...
Here are those pictures you requested.

I was going to set mine on a dolly but later decided on setting the drum on the floor.
Is your dum fastened to the dolly or just setting on it loose?

Is this a vent? Where can i find something like that?

Here is my vent.It's the fitting without the hose on it.

What fitting did you use to get from the pump down through the top of the drum?

I used this .

here it is installed on the drum with the hose attached to it.

My pump is not mounted to the drum.

My pump is on a shelf out away from the drum.

 

[Soundguy]

Woow...that had to make some noise. I've never had a problem using ether. One just needs to know how much to spray inside the tire.

It was at a 'adult school'.. and yes.. it made quite a noise and drew a crowd1

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

i made up an air chuck with no core and had a air bow gun valve on it with a short hose to the chuck.. works great.

soundguy

Yes, I do know what you mean but my chucks all work with or without a valve core in place in the valve stem. No "pedal" involved. They were purchased variously at Camping World, HF, and NAPA. The latter two each has a gauge and a lever to press to release air. When not depressing the lever the gauge reads the pressure in the tire. When pressing the lever the gauge reads the pressure in the tire but slightly wrong due to line loss during heavy flow.

The Camping world chuck set up is a clip on self holding angle chuck plus on a separate hose a straight on push to engage self holding chuck. The two chucks are cross connected to each other so you can fill dual wheels at the same time and get the same pressure first time every time.

I think the little thing in the center of the chuck which depresses the valve core's center piece has a shoulder farther back in the chuck that hits the rim of the valve stem and lets air out. Not totally sure about this last part but it looks that way in the picture I have in memory.

There are also valve caps that have a check valve in them and you can air the tire directly THROUGH them. This is best for just "touching up" the pressure a bit. The extra restriction makes for a rather reduced flow rate and is not recommended for pumping up a totally, or nearly so, empty tire. These could certainly inhibit the sealing action trying to get the bead seated and sealed.

Chucks are cheap, I'd get one that didn't require the valve core to be in place.

Pat

 

[gemini5362]

Using ether works good. I have seen it done before I usually watch it from a long ways away and have my phone ready to dial 911 In case things blow up and the guy doing it is seriously injured. Using either or gas can hurt you pretty bad. I have used ratchet straps on everything from lawnmower tires to my tractor tires and have had it work every time for me. I have seen cheetahs used and they work great. For my occasional use they are a bit expensive and I have not taken the time to try to use a propane tank to make one. I would sure try the ratchet straps before i tried ether. It is a lot safer way to go. If you do that make sure that once the bead is on you stop. It gets a bit hard to release the ratchet strap on something like a tractor tire if you have filled it with air while the strap is still in place.

 

[N80]

On the low-tech side of things, I did install a tubeless valve stem with the core removed into one of my ventless cans. A 1/2 inch bit makes a perfect hole. It does not leak around the base or through the valve cap.

Its a very easy install, but you do need a piece of string or wire to fish it through. However, even though it helps, it doesn't help tons. The insides of the filler tube has a 'vent' tube in it that slows things down even with the new vent open. It is definitely better than without the new vent, but still not speedy.

Its such a cheap and easy thing to do that I am going to do the other cans.

 

[Soundguy]

Ditto that.. i think the tire valve stem is a gret idea.. I plan to add it to my cans as well.

soundguy

 

[Egon]

Gee, when I was a kid I used to solder valve stems onto cleaned empty antifreeze containers so I could pump in air when they were used to transport minnows used as bait when out fishing.

I just left the actual valve components out though as they were not required.

 

[LBrown59]

Here is my vent.

The can's just a little bigger though.

 

[patrick_g]

Using ether works good... Using either or gas can hurt you pretty bad. I have used ratchet straps on everything from lawnmower tires to my tractor tires and have had it work every time for me.

Last time I was in Baja I had new tires from USA to be installed on a motorhome I stored down there for when we wanted more space than our camper. I tried 1 inch diameter nylon ropes and a tourniquet approach (much more aggressive than smaller ratchet straps) and no joy. We paraded from tire shop to tire shop trying to get them mounted. One shop had a Cheetah but it couldn't do all the tires. We finally had to resort to the "fuel-air bomb" approach with WD-40 and gasoline ( a little less aggressive than all gasoline.)

Starting fluid (mostly ether) is a typical tire mounting approach used by off roaders with really serious tires when facilities are not near. I don't know if anyone has ever been seriously injured trying this but not to my knowledge (late 60's to present) which doesn't mean there hasn't been several maimings, deaths, and 3rd degree burns, just that I never heard about it.

Regarding the use of a tubeless valve stem for a vent: If one doesn't vent enough add a second or third.

There are threaded "through hull" fittings which could be used to provide a capable vent in larger sizes, say from about 1/2 inch or so on up to several inches. These are commonly used to make waterproof penetrations through bulkheads for wires and such and can be had with gaskets for a good seal.

Pat

 

[N80]

Ratchet straps have always worked on my fronts but it is often a goat-rope. Never had to deal with rears. When changing some large ag tires once the bead would not fully seat but would make enough contact to keep the air in. We just inflated a bit over the recommended pressure and waited. It took about 15 minutes and then boom, it popped on fully.

Back to fuel cans. Gempler's has large bore tubeless stems that might allow more air flow. They cost more, but they look like they have a nut for tightening it which would be nice. Not worth the trouble for me right now, but something to think about.

 

[LetsRoll]

Thanks and much appreicated.

Is your drum fastened to the dolly or just setting on it loose?


Is this a vent? Where can i find something like that?


What fitting did you use to get from the pump down through the top of the drum?

Your welcome.
My drum just sets on the dolly. Haven't had a problem with it yet.
Yes, it is a vent.
You can get the Pneumatic Exhaust Mufflers from here. MSC Item Detail
The fittings came with the pump kit. I had to buy the filter kit and the cord.
Cut the end off one end of the cord and wire it to the motor.
I have about $400 in this setup.
My right elbow is shot and I cant hold a fuel can over the middle of the hood to fuel my tractor.
I'd have to stand on the tire and hold the can straight out to fill the tank.
My fuel tank is underneith the hood.
It was cheaper this way than having surgury on my elbow.
​

 

[LetsRoll]

The proper way to use ether on a rim and tire. Is to take the valve stem core out. That way, you dont have to worry about the tire exploding. People are just too lazy and leave the valve stem in. Thats when people take the risk of the tire exploding. Once the ether is lit and the tire is seated on the rim. You put the valve stem core back in and fill the tire with air.

 

[LBrown59]

Your welcome.
1*My drum just sets on the dolly
2*Yes, it is a vent.
3*You can get the Pneumatic Exhaust Mufflers from here. MSC Item Detail
4*The fittings came with the pump kit.
5*I have about $400 in this setup.
6*It was cheaper this way than having surgery on my elbow.````````````````````````````````````

1*It looks like you have a nice smooth level concrete surface to roll the set up around on.
I have slag and a dolly like this don't move very good on it.
Besides I didn't want to store fuel in the garage especially since I hope to heat the garage someday.


That's why I put my set up in this building.
It's 37 feet from it to the nearest building.
I wanted 50 feet but didn't have enough room to get it.

2*Will water runback through this into your drum?

I vented my drum like this.It is the fitting on the drum that don't have the hose on it.If I knew for sure what you used for a vent wouldn't let water through it into my drum I'd change it.
3*These are neat and interesting.
I'm wondering if one of these could be used as a filter on the inlet end of the Suction tube or pump inlet hose to help prevent dirt etc from entering into the pump?
I just have a piece of aluminum screen wire attached to the hose with a hose clamp now.


4*I couldn't use the fittings you used and put the pump on top of the drum like this because then

all of these inlet fittings and hoses would have to have been installed inside the drum;a physical impossibility.
I had to set the pump on this shelf to allow me to plump the set up the way I wanted it plumbed.
5*Originally I had between $250 and $300 in my set up.
Since adding the second drum and the extra fittings and hose I'm probably around $300 to $350 on it now.
6*Sorry to hear about the elbow but maybe it would be a good idea to go ahead and get it fixed now.
********
I have several options on refilling the set up.
Option 1- Get fuel delivered. This is what I do.

Option 2-Set drum three in the pick up go get fuel in it and pump the fuel into drum 2 when I get back.
Option 3- Disconnect the union on drum 1 or drum 2 and take the drum to get fuel and pump the fuel into the set up when I get back.
As for options 2 and 3 I can also lift the drum off my truck with my tractor when I get back if I set the drum on a dolly in the pickup instead of just setting the drum on the floor of the bed.
With this set up I can pump fuel from any container =even the lowley 5 gallon cans being discussed in this thread.

 

[LetsRoll]

The mufflers are only 40 micron. They will allow water to get into the drum. But, I've never had a water problem with my drum. I treat my drum of diesel when I take it in to have it filled.

You have a filter, so I would not worry about putting it on the inside of your drum. Your setup looks fine, I wouldn't change it if your not having any problems.

 

[LBrown59]

The mufflers are only 40 micron.
1*They will allow water to get into the drum.
2*But,I've never had a water problem with my drum.
3*I treat my drum of diesel when I take it in to have it filled.
4*You have a filter, so I would not worry about putting it on the inside of your drum.
5*Your setup looks fine,
6*I wouldn't change it if your not having any problems.

1* What I was wandering about is if you took the drum to fill it and it was raining hard going both ways would the rain water get through the muffler into the drum.
Sounds like it would by what you're saying.
If that's the case I agree that I should not change the Vents I have in my drums to the mufflers.
My drums can set out side in heavy downpours and the rain water can't get through them into the drums.
What appealed to me about the muffler for a vent is it appears it would make getting a tool on the cap easier when you need to remove the cap to fill the drum.
2*Neither have I .
3*I dump a quart of additive in the second drum while filling it.But I still want to prevent as much water as I can from entering the drum.
4*This filter only prevents stuff from getting from the pump to the tractor tank .
It does nothing to keep dirt crud or foreign objects out of the pump.
That's why I put a screen on the ends of my suction tubes and the transfer hose.
5*Thanks and so does yours.
6*Works great the way it is - so I think I will leave it alone.
Nice hearing from you and have a great day.

 

[LBrown59]

LBrown59.

.

How long does this 55 gallon drum of fuel last you?.
I went through 60 Gallon in about 5 months.

 

[Nuru]

30 gallons in 27 hours sofar, so 30 - 40 in a year.

 

[Silk Hope Soldier]

Wow.

And I thought melting a hole and sticking a screw-eye in it was "cutting edge" vent technology...

I have not laughed so hard in ages!