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williekioti

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Looking for a little help from the pack. I am having a fuel delivery problem with my CK30, I think. Was moving snow a couple of days ago, for about an hour. A friend stopped by, so I shut 'er down for a few minutes, then the wife showed and so had to move the beast out of the driveway. Moved about twenty feet pushing with the rear blade and it just stopped. No joy on the restart. No smoke, no go. Fuel in the filter assembly looked good, clear. Popped of the lines, good fuel. Finally messed with the lever on the top, front of the injector unit, which I believe is the manual fuel cut off? Got it to run briefly twice, but would die quickly, especially if I tried to give it a little more juice. Third time it ran it accerated right up to the stops and I had to manually kill it with the lever(fuel cut off).

I let it sit for awhile then went back to try again. Got it to start after many cranks but could only move it about twenty feet at idle speed. As soon as I gave it a tiny bit of throttle, it died again without restarting. I called a nearby dealer(this is a Saturday) and talked to a knowledgeable guy, but not their senior tech. He suggested jelled fuel or ice from water contamination. I do use Power Service in the white bottle for anti-jelling and keep it plugged in with a block heater. Fuel in the filter and in the lines looked good. Tried bleeding air half a dozen times. I finally covered it with a tarp and put a small space heater on the injector side of the engine. Three hours later I got it running one more time, but wanted to die if any amount of throttle was given. Crept it into the garage at idle and put 'er to bed for the night in a heated environment.

This morning go try again, she's been inside in 55-60* environment all night and block heater on, it starts immediately but races to the stops again. I shut it done as soon as I could and let it sit. Did not have an oppurtunity to call dealer today, but will do so tomorrow.

So what do you all think here? Do I have ice somewhere in the injector unit? The electric solenoid fuel cut off does click nicely when key is turned, so that appears to function. Sorry to be long winded, just trying to give as much info as possible. Any other areas I should look at?
 
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That is an interesting problem and well beyond my diesel skills but I'll be interested to see what some of our more experienced hands have to say. :confused: It seems odd to think that freezing had anything to do with it given that the engine and injectors were presumably at operating temperature when you first stopped it and could not have frozen in the limited time you stopped. Likewise, it seems odd that while it won't run properly it can race which seems to argue against a fuel blockage.

Rick, where are you?
 
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I think you're headed for a dealer;sounds like the injector "rack" is the problem. The rack is located in the injector pump and controls the amount of fuel delivered to the injectors;sounds like yours' is sticking or perhaps the spring is broken/hung up, or the rack itself may be damaged:eek:
 
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IT; yeah I doubt the ice thing too since the tractor was at operating temp for awhile prior to the problem. Plus the overnight in the garage did not cure the problem.

Patches; injector rack? You're just full of good news....:( Yikes! Thats definitely out of my realm of experience/ability to handle. If damaged, how does that normally happen? I certainly hope it is nothing I could have done through negligence or recklessness. I understand about springs hanging up or breaking.

Will see what the dealer has to say this morn. My problem here is I've moved and no longer within the working radius of my original dealer who provided excellent service. There is a Kioti dealer about 35 miles away who I called on Saturday. Will call my original guy first for ideas since I know him.......and pray for a "easy" fix. If not, looks like I'm cultivating a new relationship.

Thanks for the replies.
 
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williek; Nothing you did caused it and you could have done nothing to prevent it from happening,if in fact it is the rack. Just one of those things:( Any chance the unit is still warranteed:D
 
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Yup, still under warrantee. It's a small consolation though with all this mess left over from that last Nor'easter. Called my original dealer and spoke to one of the techs I used to deal with. He came to the same conclusion regarding the rack as the possible culprit. He stated they've seen a few go bad in the newer DK line but none on the CK thus far. That's my luck to get the one in a million........

Spoke to the nearby dealership, but the Kioti tech was out. The gent I spoke with wanted me to eliminate fuel issues first so I treated with Diesel 911 and new fuel filter. Still no joy. So I guess my 30 is off to the tractor hospital. :(
 
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In another post titled " My new CK20hst loses power / rpm . sounds something like your problem and it ended up being something blocking the line from the tank . Hope this helps . Please post back on the FIX .
 
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Highgear said:
In another post titled " My new CK20hst loses power / rpm . sounds something like your problem and it ended up being something blocking the line from the tank . Hope this helps . Please post back on the FIX .

But the runaway rpm's point toward the rack.
 
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I am on my way to Vegas with my bet......
Someone needs a new injector pump.
Anyone want to go double or nothing?
 
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wallace said:
I am on my way to Vegas with my bet......
Someone needs a new injector pump.
Anyone want to go double or nothing?
I would like to take that bet but only because of our freak (and I do mean freak) experience with one tractor here. Out of all the tractors sold in this area, 1 comes to mind when the problem was described.

Willie, send me a personal message with your dealer's name and number or the dealer doing the repair so I can call him and tell him of our findings.
Also, how many hours are on the tractor?
 
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ToadHill said:
Willie: Is it still under warranty?

Yup, I only wish that held off the white stuff till she returns........but I guess warrantees can only go so far. They are going to pick 'er up Friday and who knows how long it'll be absent. :(
 
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kiotidrive said:
I would like to take that bet but only because of our freak (and I do mean freak) experience with one tractor here. Out of all the tractors sold in this area, 1 comes to mind when the problem was described.

Willie, send me a personal message with your dealer's name and number or the dealer doing the repair so I can call him and tell him of our findings.
Also, how many hours are on the tractor?

Well, doesn't that sound omnious. I certainly don't look forward to having one of those "freak" tractors that tend to baffle techs.... ;) You sure got me curious though, gremlins?

The tractor has 118 hrs on 'er. I'll PM ya the digits.
 
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Well, my tractor went in for a little operation today. Hopefully it will a non-invasive procedure and a speedy recovery.

The tech tried starting it to no avail. Fuel pump worked fine, fuel to injector pump but nothing out through the injector lines. Made for a little fun to get 'er loaded w/o power, but we managed with the help of gravity(my house is on a hill) and a come-a-long to finish loading on trailer.

Will post again with the results....................soon hopefully.
 
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Ah the come-a-long. I've loaded my CK twice with a blocdy dang darn come-a-long.

Hope it gets fixed soon.
 
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I think my faulty memory recalls one other who had a floating turd in the fuel tank that would block inlet whenever it felt...just a thought. Its all my chrystal ball could conjure without being on location. LOL hope this helps
also makes me wonder if your shut off solenoid on the pump is energized during no run event and if it is is the plunger opening?? Thats about as many is'es as I can fit in a sentence. :~}
 
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Update.............

................all those who placed a bet on the injector pump...........are winners. Double your money if you can guess which part went bad............


Stopped in at the shop today for a diagnosis. It is the fuel cutoff. It will not release, stuck closed. So just waiting on a new injector pump to arrive and they can get my baby back home hopefully by late next week. Pump replacement will be covered under warranty.;) I just hope Mother Nature holds off on the white stuff somewhat until she returns.

Thanks to all who posted here.

HAPPY NEW PACK! :)
 
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Good to hear they're on the trail.Fuel cutoff:confused: Mine is manual, I can't see how it could stick closed; another reason to stick with gears and levers rather than solenoids,et.al. You're fortunate to be where you are as we got 8'' of the white stuff Mon. with a foot forecast for tonite into tomorrow:rolleyes:
 
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So - If it's the fuel -cut off why did it run wide open on you one time ? And if it's just the cut-off why are they replaceing the pump ? I didn't hear the fat lady sing yet !
 
 
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